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[IvenBach]

Soulcrushingly depressing that I can't get in on any of this *wipes away teardrop from his soul*
This is like the Wizard going last searching for treasure alone in a room only to find a Wandering Monster (Gargoyle) and having it attack him back to back.
==> GEE GEE wizard it's time to reroll.

[Reveal] Spoiler: "This should be considered indecent it's that sexy"

[Anderas]

Thanks for the recent excel table. I have seen that i need to add maybe another couple of pounds.

[Big Bene]

Meat drying rack.

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[slev]

Done my sums. Man, this is getting pricy...

Will so be worth it though!

[Miasma]

I've been watching this Kickstarter for ages. I've basically been holding off to see how good it gets, and I'll be honest, I've ummed and ahhed a bit. A LOT in fact. Do I go in? Do I need it? I could save the cash, the groups done without it before???! I've kind of made my mind to go in, but I'm an "all or nothing" sort of person. So I'd either want it all, or leave it. I'm a bit of a miniatures collector, so to get the set is how I think. Anyway, I don't want to rain on this and I assure you that I'm not a Troll and trying to cause upset (I've enough of that with work!), but I'm a bit disappointed.

Disappointed might be too strong a word, as it's been well run, excellently updated, professional, the organisers of it have listened to what people want and I like the products (most of them, nearly/virtually all), but just a couple of things. Now this is only from my perspective, and I'm going to be the only one no doubt (story of my life!), but the Completionist is the top whack deal. but it's not complete? Now I'm with that most people wouldn't want one of everything, each item, and you cannot please everyone.

The Gold bags are a great idea, as this allows for variation for everyone. But usually with Kickstarters, the top deal, most expensive, exclusive biggest etc, is the better deal. But there's no top deal of one of everything? I'm just putting this forward, not arguing, just saying. Usually the Kickstarter is gauged to "ease" people, tempt, lure with bags of goodness etc, to put a little bit more in to up it to the next level. But the Completionist doesn't seem that good a deal to the others. The encouragement is in newer items that will or could be produced, and people upping Gold bags to get those additional items. As the Gold bags increase they clearly get better in value. But the set deals don't? Would not a larger deal create more interest and nudge people up a level?

With the Completionist you get Tier 4, compared to the other deals that are there, but at the additional cost, it works out the same overall value? or is it me? If the most expensive deal was better, compared to the others, would this not tease people to "go all in?" Personally it would for me. I'm either looking at Completionist, or a large bag of gold to virtually buy the same. I think I could easily spend 250 Gold. Another question would be, will a 300 Gold or 350 Gold be made available? As virtually all the new items shown, up to 100k are all Tier 5. If it continues, I don't know if 250 would cut it? I think if it gets to 100K, then to buy it all would be 232 Gold, that's not including multiple doors, pillars etc. With multiples, that really adds up!

This is why I used the term disappointed. I'm here waiting to see what happens, but from 70K up to 100K, there's only a tier 3, and nothing to tease people into the highest bracket. In fact looking at the pledge calculator (thank you for doing that else I'd have added it up over a prolonged period) then the highest/top deal, which is Completionist, is actually the most expensive compared to all the other sets available. In fact the completionist actually appears to have got worse, in a sense. Now I haven't read the other 39 pages here or the 6000 comments on the Kickstarter site, so perhaps it's already been mentioned, and I'm missing something?

I understand the Gold bags, as logistically, they are going to more of a nightmare than the set deals. With Gold bags it will be hundreds of random orders. The time and effort alone, would, I'd have thought make them more expensive, compared to the packages, and I'd have thought that the creators would have wanted to encourage people to go for the deals, as the manufacture of a repeated set amount of items in the package, packaging etc, Would make it easier, and thus cheaper. I'd have thought a one of everything deal would be pretty easy organise afterwards, and possibly make things easier for the organisers. I assume I'm reading that right, and the Gold bags work out more expensive to buy items than the set deals? that's the way it looks to me from the Gold/GBP value.

The question I ask the creators, and you've done a great job (but from my understanding of Kickstarters, for you, the real work will start when it ends), is, will the top deals get any better to encourage more people? As I'm sat here thinking, do I?

[PrincessBexter]

I relate to where you are getting at. I want most of the pieces but I do differ slightly in that there are a few things I do not want. I already have a dungeon with lots of pieces and some of the paraphernalia I have equivalents of, sadly I cannot get out of getting some of these - and in any case who on Earth needs a 3 sided Gaol cell? That's really cheeky! I happen to already have a gaol in my dungeon - but the one in the Dungeon Keeper set having only 3 sides is really annoying.

Most of the people who already have collected a dungeon will already have most of all they need of doors, tables, chairs, crates, barrels and likely for some a few of the other pieces too.

I found that by swapping out the doors for gold at Dungeon Keeper level worked out better financially than going for Completionist and allows me to get the vast majority of the expansion pieces with just a small gold purchase on top. I'm not sure if that will stay the same as the final days unfold though!

Personally I would rather have seen smaller packs on themes: "A trap pack" of all the traps for instance (as well as each piece being available individually ), but it's far too late for that approach in these dying stages, it is what it is.

The Completionist seems odd to me in other ways though, for instance it has 1 door!? With only 1 door piece you can have a dungeon with exactly 1 room in it... The one you enter by!

It's easy to lose track of money when buying in an artificial currency, and some of the pieces do look expensive. They look big on screen, but I think in reality they are going to fit in inch squares and so is a sprue of 3 tiny levers and a pressure plate worth £2? I'd argue not.

Some others work out pricey too, the mine cart really wants at least 6 track pieces, probably 12... That makes it quite pricey, but then there's no mine entrance, and no rubble pieces to complete a "mine" dungeon to make that worth while.

Still, on the whole it's a really enticing deal, and whilst I won't be getting every single piece I am really excited about it even though my order wont arrive until March.

[Miasma]

Yes some of those smaller bits, are, well small, but I was thinking of a few for basing on miniatures. Bones especially, but after you buy a few of them, it will add up. I'll watch for a little while longer, as I'm hot and cold at the moment. You are right about the mine cart, as realistically, you'd need a lot of track! As realistically it would run right through the dungeon. that "Trap pack" would be a good thing for them to do on their site later, as I'm sure a few people would go for that. They've covered a lot of bases though, and it is a very well run Kickstarter, there's a few out there that were not.

[whitebeard]

I finally added my pledge at Classic Dungeon Dweller! It's really fantastic that you are doing this, my son and I have been expanding our HeroQuest game recently and it's going to be great to have these minis to replace all of the cardboard!

In a previous post, the Classic Dungeon Dweller package was said to be a direct swap out for the HeroQuest furniture (plus other really cool stuff). The bookcase always looked narrow, but the recent update to library bookshelves has me wondering how this can work. We just started playing with a larger 30mm printed board, so we are getting used to the furniture not fitting properly… and there is now room to run over on adjacent squares. However these new shelves appear about twice as wide as they are supposed to be.

Please keep in mind that some of us do intend to replace the HeroQuest furniture, so the ability to assemble this piece with only 1 or 2 units without cutting and filling is highly desirable.

Thanks!

[Thantos]

Yep, the KS has grown much further than we had ever thought, so it has been impossible to make one pledge valid for all the items at 5k funding and also for all the items at 90k funding!

But, in our theme of listing to feedback, today we will have a "Pure Completionist" pledge available which will include everything including Tier 5s (except the dragon, that's a gold-sink for those who are not interested in it!)

@Whitebread: The library bookcase with the Classic Dungeon Dweller has nearly spot on the same footprint of the HQ bookcase. That is why we upgrade to these for this pledge

[Anderas]

Maybe you want to update your delivery schedule if the Kickstarter is really beyond your expectations.
It's up to you, of course, but experience shows that the people complain less if you first show a late date and then an earlier date instead the other way round.
Bah, some people always complain.