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Re: .Twisted Catacombs. A Dungeon Scenery Kickstarter Proje

Postby Thantos » September 28th, 2014, 7:06 pm

sajungzak wrote:Do you have a camera that can do time lapse of printing in progress?


Thats a good idea! I will try and set up the webcam to do that after launch :D

Grendel wrote:Greetings all,

Just read about this on the Dwarven forge KS page, and joined the forum (since I hate Facebook.) I really like the concept art for this project, and reading through the thread...I second the iron maiden, and non-human creature skellies. Is there any way to get the bonus bone pile that is on the FB page without joining FB...throwing us a bone? :roll: Any points for bad pun-manship?


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Ok, well happy to bone you (thats not a good pun...) thrown you a bone if maybe you can share the news in a forum or blog? Also get some free beer tankards if you can do that |_P

4tonmantis wrote:I shared a post about beer tankards on FB, I commented on here, I like the FB page, is there other stuff I missed that we're supposed to do? How are you keeping up with who is doing what?

Sounds good to me! :D Business facebook account has some insights into who shares what post. To be honest, will likely not check everybody's claim if they say they shared and such, when filling in the pledge manager. Would take too long for each person. Probably just spot check a few.

Preview page of the Kickstarter is up at this link.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/12 ... n=d5b0c99c
A lot more to upload tomorrow still, including video, but would be good to get some beta feedback! Link is up for the next 8 hours :D
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Re: .Twisted Catacombs. A Dungeon Scenery Kickstarter Proje

Postby clmckay » September 28th, 2014, 7:36 pm

I'm sorry...this is my first kick starter, so I'm pretty confused. There are a few things in classic dungeon dweller that aren't in dungeon keeper. So, are they stacked? So that if you do Dungeon keeper you also get dungeon dweller? Or do you need to use the included gold to add those items in?


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Re: .Twisted Catacombs. A Dungeon Scenery Kickstarter Proje

Postby Lord Flordvow » September 28th, 2014, 9:09 pm

That cupboard is awesome. All the wooden pieces are looking great, actually.
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Re: .Twisted Catacombs. A Dungeon Scenery Kickstarter Proje

Postby Owesome » September 28th, 2014, 9:42 pm

Like many I joined the forum just for this KS. ^_^ I've only recently gotten my hands on a base game of HQ in good nick again - my original was broken up for parts when I was a feckless lad, I know much better now. :)

Your renders for everything look aces so far - Kudos!

One idea I had for the pit trap: It doesn't have to be an actual pit, it just has to be reminiscent of one. I don't know what the terms are, but if you had a slightly built up 25mm base with a recessed 15-18mm square inside of it, you could give the impression of a depression while still being able to put minis on top of it.

Were you thinking of using the standard 25mm squares as your bases, or the wonky HQ rectangular bases?
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Re: .Twisted Catacombs. A Dungeon Scenery Kickstarter Proje

Postby Teldurn » September 28th, 2014, 10:11 pm

Stefan L wrote:There is no info on pricing or shipping yet Teldurm.
Keep in mind that there is no such thing as free shipping though ;) if anyone claim they ship for free it's because they hide the shipping cost in the product price.
What countries are shipped FROM will be interesting however, due to import taxes.

Yep, fully aware of that. Basically, in my experience, when the shipping cost is not included in the pledge level, it turns some people away from making a pledge. The reason for this is because leaving the shipping cost out of the pledge level makes the product seem less worthy than it really is. People are expecting to give X amount for a thing, but then find out it's going to cost X+Y to actually get it shipped to them. They sometimes feel this isn't worth it. A borderline approach is, instead of including shipping in the pledge, include a note about how much shipping costs in the pledge tier description, or another very noticeable place.

But if shipping is already included in the pledge, it becomes a no brainer. You know what you're going to get.

Obviously it's up to Thantos to run the numbers and come up with shipping prices that are appropriate for what will undoubtedly be an overwhelming success of a kickstarter. And as for me, I'm running my own financial numbers like a madman simply trying to scrounge up enough to pledge for this stuff!
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Re: .Twisted Catacombs. A Dungeon Scenery Kickstarter Proje

Postby LordDust » September 28th, 2014, 10:39 pm

I'm very stoked about this KS, there is some good looking stuff. I hadn't had time to read the entire thread yet, so I apologize if this has been mentioned...

Including as much as possible of progress as you go in the updates is probably a good idea. It looks like a whole mess of people just got burned bad by ADW on a couple KS and I think it may make some who would otherwise pledge a bit more reticent or cause them to pledge lower. Seeing physical prototypes, any test casts, etc. that are done before the conclusion will likely help defuse that and increase interest. I know you guys have nothing to do with ADW and I'm sure pretty much everyone will realize that. I just think a lot of those who got stung on that are going to be feeling more reluctant with anyone that isn't very familiar to them.


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Re: .Twisted Catacombs. A Dungeon Scenery Kickstarter Proje

Postby Thantos » September 29th, 2014, 4:41 am

Thanks to everyone who took the time to give feedback during our window of KS beta previewing! Very much appreciated.

If you missed it, then you will just have to take our word it was particular awesome , and wait for the full launch tomorrow.

Every comment will be read and discussed while we finish adding the rest of the info and graphics today.
On first glance looks like an overall extremely positive reaction, some mixed feedback on the page layout and good advice on changing pledge options to better suit the majority of gamers. There will be changes made, to take on board what you have all suggested.

Thanks to those beady-eyed typo spotters, who picked up on keyboard derps or grammar, fixing those helps us present a better image for the KS I just hope you just as good at spotting hidden dungeon monsters, as you are spotting bad grammar

Thank you all!

clmckay wrote:I'm sorry...this is my first kick starter, so I'm pretty confused. There are a few things in classic dungeon dweller that aren't in dungeon keeper. So, are they stacked? So that if you do Dungeon keeper you also get dungeon dweller? Or do you need to use the included gold to add those items in?


No probs, this is our first creation of a kickstarter! So can relate to your feeling! :P
Each core pledge isnt stacked with the ones before it, its for the items just in the corresponding image. The Classic Dungeon Dweller pledge is geared for swapping out all the HQ furniture in one swoop. It has the biggest saving of all of the core pledges, so to make things fair, on the core pledge it does not have and GOLD to customize it.
If you would like to add further scenery to the pledge, you can add on GOLD starting at £5.

If you want more customization (because you already own doors for example) the best option would be to go with a "dungeon dweller" pledge. And we will be adding the option to swap all the doors in the core pledges for GOLD, so you can customize each better (since a lot of people wanted less doors and more scenery, we can give that choice)

Lord Flordvow wrote:That cupboard is awesome. All the wooden pieces are looking great, actually.

Thanks Flordvow, its been around two years of sculpting wood for various projects now :P

Owesome wrote:Like many I joined the forum just for this KS. ^_^ I've only recently gotten my hands on a base game of HQ in good nick again - my original was broken up for parts when I was a feckless lad, I know much better now. :)

Your renders for everything look aces so far - Kudos!

One idea I had for the pit trap: It doesn't have to be an actual pit, it just has to be reminiscent of one. I don't know what the terms are, but if you had a slightly built up 25mm base with a recessed 15-18mm square inside of it, you could give the impression of a depression while still being able to put minis on top of it.

Were you thinking of using the standard 25mm squares as your bases, or the wonky HQ rectangular bases?


Hi Owesome, Welcome to the inne! Have a beer! |_P And glad to hear your back with the bevloved HQ!

Thanks, pleased you like the sculpts so far!

Thats exactly what we had in mind for the pit trap! :D It should look just as you imagine

For figures - its mainly scenery on the KS, but there are a couple of character pieces coming. They can be based on either, we have some wonky rectangle bases on the store if people want to add those when all is done :D

Teldurn wrote:Yep, fully aware of that. Basically, in my experience, when the shipping cost is not included in the pledge level, it turns some people away from making a pledge. The reason for this is because leaving the shipping cost out of the pledge level makes the product seem less worthy than it really is. People are expecting to give X amount for a thing, but then find out it's going to cost X+Y to actually get it shipped to them. They sometimes feel this isn't worth it. A borderline approach is, instead of including shipping in the pledge, include a note about how much shipping costs in the pledge tier description, or another very noticeable place.

But if shipping is already included in the pledge, it becomes a no brainer. You know what you're going to get.

Obviously it's up to Thantos to run the numbers and come up with shipping prices that are appropriate for what will undoubtedly be an overwhelming success of a kickstarter. And as for me, I'm running my own financial numbers like a madman simply trying to scrounge up enough to pledge for this stuff!


In the end, discussed this at length with Bill, and what is going to happen is UK shipping will be included in each core pledge. And international shipping will be subsidized for the same amount on each pledge.
For example, Dungeon Keeper, costs £5 to ship in the UK and £12 to a place in Europe. So the £5 is included in the pledge amount, no additional charge to the UK and shipping to europe would now only be an additional £7. We are setting up shipping costs per country, so its as cheap as possible and as fair as possible with the actual costs, rather than a blanket charge.

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LordDust wrote:I'm very stoked about this KS, there is some good looking stuff. I hadn't had time to read the entire thread yet, so I apologize if this has been mentioned...

Including as much as possible of progress as you go in the updates is probably a good idea. It looks like a whole mess of people just got burned bad by ADW on a couple KS and I think it may make some who would otherwise pledge a bit more reticent or cause them to pledge lower. Seeing physical prototypes, any test casts, etc. that are done before the conclusion will likely help defuse that and increase interest. I know you guys have nothing to do with ADW and I'm sure pretty much everyone will realize that. I just think a lot of those who got stung on that are going to be feeling more reluctant with anyone that isn't very familiar to them.


Hi Lord Dust, glad you made it! :D

Yep thats sound advice! Will have shots of the example prototype quality and some casts which we have done so far, added to the KS page :D Its only a handful if pieces at the casting stage now, but will be more being moulded as the KS is active and will post updates :D
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Re: .Twisted Catacombs. A Dungeon Scenery Kickstarter Proje

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Re: .Twisted Catacombs. A Dungeon Scenery Kickstarter Proje

Postby Thantos » September 29th, 2014, 2:04 pm

Thanks Sjeng! All this extra web publicity is really great :) Looking like we may smash a few stretch goals even!

Last preview before launch is the Alc bench. Going to be a serious multipart cast, resin with good flex for the detailed and thin areas.
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Re: .Twisted Catacombs. A Dungeon Scenery Kickstarter Proje

Postby robh » September 29th, 2014, 2:26 pm

Wow, that bench is a superb piece....does it make a circle?
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