PROPHECY OF TELOR discussion

[wallydubbs]

I see the card art for the Wander has been changed (to look just like the "wand of magic" artifact than the glowing shard it was in the mythic box). Also the price has been increased from 125 to 200 gold coins. (see 29:59 vs. 1:39:34 of my unboxing of the Mythic set I wonder what other changes there are?

125 was far too cheap for a weapon that could attack adjacent and ranged for 2 combat dice. Add in the demonform and she is the most powerful starting hero on attack and defence.

Powerful to start, but doesn’t improve at all. The Warlock is as strong as it is going to be from the first time you play it. Sure you can buy Bracers and give the Warlock the spell user and Wizard items, but those tend to be better used on other heroes.

What "spell user and wizard items" are you referring to?

Wand of Magic, Spell Ring, Wizard's Staff, Wizard's Cloak... All these items can be used by the Warlock... Yet I feel they'd be wasted on her.

[SirRick]

Wallydubbs said it best. The Spell Ring is best used for a healing spell or perhaps one of the Elf spells. The Wand of Magic is really only useful for the Wizard who has more than three spells. The Warlock has little use for the Wizard’s Staff unless she is fighting Specters.

I really think the Warlock should also get the Darkness spells from WoM to give her more spells and it fits thematically. The Warlock could even get a 5th Body Point if it wasn’t a tiny little halfling. Having such a small miniature makes it hard to justify though.

[The Admiral]

Yeah, only the Wizard's cloak would be any good.

Regarding the wand, I see it as a magical item, and thus I allow it to kill specters. I'm sure she gets 2 attack dice for her wand, not because she hits a monster over the head with it, prods them brutally in the stomach, or throws it at them really hard, but because she uses it like Harry Potter. I'm sure that is how most people envision it working. It's a wizard's magic wand and that is how I treat it.

Regarding wizardy items, I see the Warlock/Wizard character getting stuff other Heroes don't really need such as scrolls, Magical Throwing daggers, Holy Water etc. Sure, they can use them, but fairly soon the other characters will be rolling 3+ dice by default. As you say, her 2/3 att is as good as it gets. She may as well cast a scroll while the Dwarf swings the Battle axe.

[Kurgan]

All of the Spell Scrolls add "may be used by any hero" to the bottom (in case there was any confusion... I remember people saying "well only spell casters should be able to use them"). They also revised the Alchemist (Equipment) potions to reflect the ROTDM versions generally in the two packs, which removes some game tips and replaces them with the lore stuff (in most cases).

See the comparison video here (yes I forgot to show the COPD tiles but they're ancillary to the discussion): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXhROha0HfE

So if you want an extra Abomination and Gargoyles (instead of the Dread Sorceress) get this one, otherwise the monster distributions are the same. This one has the Warlock (SQT has the Bard... neither has the Druid, maybe they are saving that for a Hero Collection? Or maybe they are holding out for Joe to do whatever they need to get a third box for CoPD but it sounded like they were discouraging us from holding out hope on that one since GenCon).

No Doors in either set, but that was probably to make room for the translucent dice (you can scrounge KK/ROTWL or just re-use a closed door until you need it for something else). No new tiles.

But we haven't seen what changes are in the books yet... guess we'll find out in a month and a few days (unless it releases early). Any fans get it early, please post your unboxings!

[The Admiral]

All of the Spell Scrolls add "may be used by any hero" to the bottom (in case there was any confusion... I remember people saying "well only spell casters should be able to use them").

I know all heroes can use them, my point was that it is usually, in my opinion, more efficient for the main spellcaster hero (normally the Wizard) to do so.

[wallydubbs]

I feel they should've upped the price of that wand (I'm thinking 400 gold) and make it accessible to the Wizard, I really don't think it would throw the game off balance, it's only 2AD, the added benefit of range that the Wizard's staff can't do. Or make it an artifact he can use for Frozen Horror, it'll make him more useful in the later quest packs.

[Kurgan]

Of course the Wizard and Warlock may not both be in the party at the same time, but I get what you all are saying.

[The Admiral]

I feel they should've upped the price of that wand (I'm thinking 400 gold) and make it accessible to the Wizard, I really don't think it would throw the game off balance, it's only 2AD, the added benefit of range that the Wizard's staff can't do. Or make it an artifact he can use for Frozen Horror, it'll make him more useful in the later quest packs.

Yes, it seems odd that a wizard can't use a wand, but can use a wand of magic. It's because it would make the Wizard's Staff redundant, unless you made the wand a range only weapon, which feels right to me. I don't allow my ranged weapons to attack diagonally adjacent squares. That would make the staff and the wand relevant to both, which is how I think it should be.

[Kurgan]

Then again the Warlock doesn't have to buy the Wand unless she dies or has it stolen for good, as it's a starting weapon.

[That Guy In The Sky]

I'll hold off on purchasing the new expansions, wait for the price to decrease, Witch Lord had been €33.99, picked it up for €11.99.