Heroquest remake by Hasbro - The BIG discussion thread

[Shadzar]

I just got 3 emails from 3 separate orders Saturday evening that “Your order has left the building!”

so you ordered 3 versions at 3 different times, and got an email for each order number? or it is 1 order number for 3 copies and got 3 emails for each package?

[Cael Darkhollow]

there is zero mention or artwork of the ORC BARD, HALFlING WARLOCK, or DRUID in the rule book or the base game quest book.
The ORC BARD is only mentioned in Teos Abadia's Spirit Queen's Torment quest book and is depicted in artwork on page 4.
The DRUID and HALFLING WARLOCK only exist on their character cards in the Mythic expansion as far as I can see.
Their spells/weapons for the new trio are described in the mythic expansion card deck only and are not found in the base game rule book either as far as I can tell.

All three of them don't appear anywhere in the base game or ROTWL or KK original expansions (as far as I can tell) so their negative impact on the mythos or HeroQuest world is nearly negligible, as only Haslab backers will ever get the figs or cards it seems.

Whew! what a relief that is!

[Cael Darkhollow]

the backside of the tile sheet shows two iron grate arches on the backs of the two wide stone blocks (similar to the Les Edwards artwork on the original ROTWL expansion cover) and an orc skull? token on the back of the eyeball token...I can find no mention or description so far of these tiles. The reverse of the stair shows a straight stair instead of a spiral stair, and some of the stone wall tiles or secret doors show rubble piles, skulls tiles, or pit traps on the reverse


the new tiles for the Crypt of Perpetual Darkness are described in that quest book

[Shadzar]

the backside of the tile sheet shows two iron grate arches on the backs of the two wide stone blocks (similar to the Les Edwards artwork on the original ROTWL expansion cover) and an orc skull? token on the back of the eyeball token...I can find no mention or description so far of these tiles. The reverse of the stair shows a straight stair instead of a spiral stair, and some of the stone wall tiles or secret doors show rubble piles, skulls tiles, or pit traps on the reverse

That is what people call the Zargon symbol, because it appeared on Twitter when Zargon took over the official Twitter account for HeroQuest.
https://twitter.com/heroquest


I assume the other side is supposed to be... the other side of the coin? the Mentor symbol? Loretome symbol?

Still the straight 2*2 stairs the symbols and gates have no icons in the books or use that we know of, they seem to b somethign forgotte, or was planned and people told AH "jsut remake the original game as it was" and they stopped making changes.

Which is fine, we got new tiles to play with, and they can make whatever woke expansions int he future to fail, and them blame for the reason HQ ends again, or can mature and realize when one woke expansion fails, stop doing woke crap.

or it might just be for some new examination that isn't woke and people will love.. maybe the Elf or Dwarf quests?

I am hoping the trap door tiles are jsut badly shown in videos and the hinges on them aren't off-center. That is jsut crappy art or layout if they cut off-center for the tiles.

[Lothar]

there is zero mention or artwork of the ORC BARD, HALFlING WARLOCK, or DRUID in the rule book or the base game quest book.
The ORC BARD is only mentioned in Teos Abadia's Spirit Queen's Torment quest book and is depicted in artwork on page 4.
The DRUID and HALFLING WARLOCK only exist on their character cards in the Mythic expansion as far as I can see.
Their spells/weapons for the new trio are described in the mythic expansion card deck only and are not found in the base game rule book either as far as I can tell.

All three of them don't appear anywhere in the base game or ROTWL or KK original expansions (as far as I can tell) so their negative impact on the mythos or HeroQuest world is nearly negligible, as only Haslab backers will ever get the figs or cards it seems.

Whew! what a relief that is!

I don't mind the additional heroes since they are merely a bonus feature, but the design choices were odd to say the least. Setting aside game mechanics, "Warlock" seems like an odd addition to the archetypical Barbarian, Dwarf, Elf, and Wizard. The Bard is less offensive on this front but I'm sure that most veteran HQ players resent that the model is an Orc. I like the Druid in theory (I would have preferred a Cleric), but I don't like the model (or any of the other bonus hero models for that matter). I also don't like that the Druid spell deck includes a picture of the Druid on the back, rather than a generic design like the elementals for the Wizard/Elf spells (aesthetically, it ties the spells to the model rather than to the archetype). I might try the Druid at some point, but I don't envision these new heroes seeing much action.

[Pancho]

there is zero mention or artwork of the ORC BARD, HALFlING WARLOCK, or DRUID in the rule book or the base game quest book.
The ORC BARD is only mentioned in Teos Abadia's Spirit Queen's Torment quest book and is depicted in artwork on page 4.
The DRUID and HALFLING WARLOCK only exist on their character cards in the Mythic expansion as far as I can see.
Their spells/weapons for the new trio are described in the mythic expansion card deck only and are not found in the base game rule book either as far as I can tell.

All three of them don't appear anywhere in the base game or ROTWL or KK original expansions (as far as I can tell) so their negative impact on the mythos or HeroQuest world is nearly negligible, as only Haslab backers will ever get the figs or cards it seems.

Whew! what a relief that is!

Thanks for this info. A few of us have been waiting to see how damaging the new D&D type Heroes were going to be to the relaunch. Can you say more about how the orc bard fits into the Spirit Queen storyline? How integral is he, and does it break the expansion if old school Heroquest fans substitute him out for something more intelligent?
Do we have to adopt a revisionist view of orcs in general to play this pack?

[Kurgan]

Thanks for the updates Cael & Shadzar for reminding me!

Are there any "rule clarifications" in the new quest books? Ie: selling back items, hiring mercenaries, etc?

Nice to finally see the reverse side double block square images ("grates"). And yes, the GS's mystery tile.

Interesting that only the Orc Bard gets a real introduction. So what the players do with the new heroes is even more open ended. Quests may not be specially balanced for them in particular. Them each having the ability to independently heal is always helpful. To me the Bard is still a pirate, he's even got that anchor tattoo in the artwork, like Popeye the sailor orc.

The Game System's Quest Book monster section at the end just revises the Orc, Goblin, "Dread Warrior" and Abomination listings. Only Orcs that are "allied with evil sorcerers" are evil, right? I guess so young players don't immediately distrust the Bard and kill him?

[Blayze]

I don't mind the additional heroes since they are merely a bonus feature, but the design choices were odd to say the least. Setting aside game mechanics, "Warlock" seems like an odd addition to the archetypical Barbarian, Dwarf, Elf, and Wizard. The Bard is less offensive on this front but I'm sure that most veteran HQ players resent that the model is an Orc. I like the Druid in theory (I would have preferred a Cleric), but I don't like the model (or any of the other bonus hero models for that matter). I also don't like that the Druid spell deck includes a picture of the Druid on the back, rather than a generic design like the elementals for the Wizard/Elf spells (aesthetically, it ties the spells to the model rather than to the archetype). I might try the Druid at some point, but I don't envision these new heroes seeing much action.

A little reframing would do wonders for the new characters when it comes to grounding them in the world; it's all about making them look more serious and more like anti-heroes.

The Warlock is probably the simplest; all it really takes is a wearier and maybe emaciated, aged and/or hunched look, to better convey the concept of trying to fight evil with evil and the cost of dealing with dark powers.
Doesn't even have to change from being a halfling or hobbit or whatever, really.

For the Bard, you could double-down on the roguish aspect and turn him into an outlaw figure, but that clashes with his spells; it's probably better to go the other way and make him something like a wardrummer or a Chanter from Pillars of Eternity (maybe even a half-orc, if you want to imply he wasn't welcome in Zargon's forces and sided against them because of that). Either way, you've got to make him more serious and world-weary... or just sack everything off and turn him into an alchemist.

For the Druid, I think the best way is to spin her as more of a witch-like figure (probably best aging her for that), either bending nature to her will or siding with nature against civilisation like the Shadow Druids from the Baldur's Gate series.
If you take her down the "enslave nature" route, her spells can be reframed as leeching vitality from the land itself (for Pixie, you forcibly summon a nature spirit to you and rip its energy from its body).

[Kurgan]

So make the Warlock look like Gollum?

I'm for the Bard being a pirate (although he plays like a Cleric, hence my Jekyll and Hyde idea of him being part of this experimental movement to alter the Orcs).
Making him into a Shaman drummer type guy is a cool idea too. Being a rejected Orc I think is kind of the implication from the beginning but not sure its that's alluded to at all in the story. I think his outfit and anchor tattoo suggest a pirate connection. If one keeps him as an Orc at all. I'm all for alchemists!

The Druid being some kind of battle mage or nature magician is cool with me, a bit like the Mystic from Legacy of Sorasil. Nice ideas.

But then again it's kind of like the stock characters.

Is your Barbarian an amoral brute full of bloodlust... or is he some kind of noble savage fighting for honor? Is he like Conan or somebody else entirely?
Is the Wizard some kind of power mad trickster, or is he some kind of wise sage, or maybe he's some kind of slick man about town?

You're given a type more than an outline even if the artwork suggests different things and the designers gave little hints for how they thought the character should be played.

They're still "heroes" at the end of the day, but one's idea of heroism may differ from another depending upon the tone of the setting and the personality of the players and their mood that day.

[Shadzar]

So make the Warlock look like Gollum?

I'm for the Bard being a pirate (although he plays like a Cleric, hence my Jekyll and Hyde idea of him being part of this experimental movement to alter the Orcs).

You can always add some Games Workshop back to your game, without paying the Games Workshop prices by getting Green Stuff from the manufacturer and now pay for that citadel logo on the pack.
http://www.polymericsystems.com/epoxies-adhesives/epoxy-putty-tapes/kneadatite-blue-yellow.htm


MAke him look like a giant teddy bear if you want to.