Severindrax wrote:Oftkilted wrote:Kurgan wrote:Blayze wrote:The Admiral wrote:Hey, for me they can call themselves whatever they want, It's a free alternate universe.
I can call my wizard Hero a pink one eyed goblin. It does not make it so.
If we're going down this route, then every single character in Heroquest is a Barbarian, because none of them speak Greek (Except in a Greek language version if there is one, in which case nobody in that version is a Barbarian).
Maybe YOUR Barbarians don't speak it....
In HeroQuest they're using the common 80's RPG stereotype of Barbarian which is a big strong warrior person who tends to fight without full armor. Aesthetically he's based on Conan. But he can wear armor, and even use magic in some circumstances, which means he can read too!
Actually ... the “no armor or helmet”? That is entirely based on Conan the Barbarian Movies.
In nearly all of the novels armor and helmets were pretty darn standard for Conan.
He wore armour and a Helmet in the movies too. Personally, i blame it on He-Man
Actually both ideas of blame are incorrect.
In several original Robert E. Howard stories Conan is depicted as wearing nothing but a loin cloth and sandals. In other original stories he has various types of armor and helmets on.
In the movies Conan goes from bare-chested to fully armored.
In the comics he is nearly always depicted as wearing a fur diaper, the basic barbarian stereotype. But that isn't the source of the stereotype.
He-man and the Masters of the Universe were already following the same previously established barbarian stereotype.
So where did it come from?
Tarzan as a primal male is an influential archetype, so is Hercules wearing a fur lion pelt. Orion or any other hunting deity is often dressed similarly. Even cavemen depictions as far back as the 1930's and primitive societies and native inhabitants from many continents have an influence on the look of the savage barbarous man. Historically barbarians were the goths, visigoths, etc. that often were shall we say less cultured than their Roman and Greek contemporaries, and fur was still in fashion.
But the overarching "blame" for the fur diaper stereotypical sword & sorcery/fantasy barbarian image influenced by all of that mentioned above is completely Frank Frazetta's fault.
Before his time Conan was depicted nearly like a Roman with armor, sandals, even short hair by artists (see Weird Tales, pulp magazines or early books containing Conan tales.) After his seminal and monumentous paintings on the paperback Conan novels used on the Lancer, Ace, Bantam, Sphere books in the 60's and 70's Conan (and every other barbarian) would be forever more depicted as bare-chested muscle bound long black hair Ultra male in a fur loin cloth. He literally invented the stereotype image for the barbarian (which originated in the 60's but was used heavily in the 80's), and influenced all literature, film, art, etc. afterwards depicting barbarians including the Les Edwards art used on the HeroQuest cover and the game piece in the game itself. Frazetta's barbarian paintings are the most awesome imagery ever to grace fantasy and he invented the fantasy art genre practically by himself.
By Crom I'll split you crown to crotch to see if your guts are yellow as I think they are nithing BARBARIAN Ulrich
The last music you shall ever hear will be my bowstring as your forehead sprouts a feathered shaft, pity ELF Cael Darkhollow
Tomes grimoires manuals atlas formularies compendiums codexes bestiaries folios scrolls... Am I missing anything before we leave? WIZARD Eldritch Heironymous KigamMagister
Some quick axe work an' we can count the coins and gems DWARF Wulfram Magnussen