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[knightkrawler]

I'll put myself out there and claim I understood every one of Gold Bearer's posts in this here thread the way it was intended.
I shot coke out of my nose at some. So, there's that.

I know I'm not alone in my love of provocational humor (*wink, wink*, Tasos), and several people here need to think about humour and how it works, at least in my opinion.

I want to have fun in this forum, but there's two or three people here - only TWO or THREE at the most among more than a THOUSAND - who make it so I have to think on every word I type. Most of the time it boils down to me or some other guy being stoned for a mysogynistic cavepig.

[Once was Mortimer]

I want to have fun in this forum, but there's two or three people here - only TWO or THREE at the most among more than a THOUSAND - who make it so I have to think on every word I type. Most of the time it boils down to me or some other guy being stoned for a mysogynistic cavepig.

Maybe your just taking any gender criticism of the hobby as a direct attack on you. I haven't been here long, but I haven't seen anyone really called out over bad jokes (I suppose other than me not being sure GB was joking with the Jasmin thing).

[cynthialee]

I'll put myself out there and claim I understood every one of Gold Bearer's posts in this here thread the way it was intended.
I shot coke out of my nose at some. So, there's that.

I know I'm not alone in my love of provocational humor (*wink, wink*, Tasos), and several people here need to think about humour and how it works, at least in my opinion.

I want to have fun in this forum, but there's two or three people here - only TWO or THREE at the most among more than a THOUSAND - who make it so I have to think on every word I type. Most of the time it boils down to me or some other guy being stoned for a mysogynistic cavepig.

I am sorry I make it unfun for you.

Heroic Fantasy and Feminist Theory are two of my favorite topics. When they combine I am very passionate.

Consider my POV when I see sexist jokes or attitudes in a place where my passion for gaming is shared by others. It isn't a comfortable environment sometimes. I am not going to just go away from the community. So I fight to make it more egalitarian and yes, female friendly.

[knightkrawler]

I am sorry I make it unfun for you.

Oh, believe you me, you do not make it unfun for me.
The opposite might just be the case.

I want to have fun in this forum, but there's two or three people here - only TWO or THREE at the most among more than a THOUSAND - who make it so I have to think on every word I type. Most of the time it boils down to me or some other guy being stoned for a mysogynistic cavepig.

Maybe your just taking any gender criticism of the hobby as a direct attack on you.

Um, nah... my opinion (which may or may not surprise you) of exactly this topic here, which has been discussed before, is to be read here: http://forum.yeoldeinn.com/viewtopic.php?f=205&t=3102&hilit=feminist+miniatures

In regards to feminism, I'm ready to be enlightened:
How is it that I work a physically - not too hard job - where it is better to be (physically) fast, agile, and effective, to have a healthy amount of spatial awareness and quick solution finding, without all of these being prerequisites but merely points of comparison among employees, that not one woman works in my company (at any point in time we are between 6 and 12 men doing this job)?
All employees in that company earn the exact same wage, whatever they work (that's policy and absolutely fine with me - there's different jobs for different talents), but if an average woman would work my particular job, she would do it hopelessly sub-par, not because I say so, but because this average woman would not be able to be anywhere near as effective as me, for various and manifold reasons (this has of course been tried and tested - the result is above). It boils down to the differences of mind and body, in my experience.
Now, the question is, on what theoretic ground would this average woman be paid the same as me if she would be instated in the same job I do, even though I will be three times as effective as she would be? (As said, wage equality is company policy, but some jobs are just not made for all genders and sexes, mind and body builds).

This is a serious question I would like to hear a feminist theory answer on. It's not a trap, just a lack of profound knowledge on my side.

[Once was Mortimer]

I am sorry I make it unfun for you.

Oh, believe you me, you do not make it unfun for me.
The opposite might just be the case.

I want to have fun in this forum, but there's two or three people here - only TWO or THREE at the most among more than a THOUSAND - who make it so I have to think on every word I type. Most of the time it boils down to me or some other guy being stoned for a mysogynistic cavepig.

Maybe your just taking any gender criticism of the hobby as a direct attack on you.

Um, nah... my opinion (which may or may not surprise you) of exactly this topic here, which has been discussed before, is to be read here: http://forum.yeoldeinn.com/viewtopic.php?f=205&t=3102&hilit=feminist+miniatures

In regards to feminism, I'm ready to be enlightened:
How is it that I work a physically - not too hard job - where it is better to be (physically) fast, agile, and effective, to have a healthy amount of spatial awareness and quick solution finding, without all of these being prerequisites but merely points of comparison among employees, that not one woman works in my company (at any point in time we are between 6 and 12 men doing this job)?
All employees in that company earn the exact same wage, whatever they work (that's policy and absolutely fine with me - there's different jobs for different talents), but if an average woman would work my particular job, she would do it hopelessly sub-par, not because I say so, but because this average woman would not be able to be anywhere near as effective as me, for various and manifold reasons (this has of course been tried and tested - the result is above). It boils down to the differences of mind and body, in my experience.
Now, the question is, on what theoretic ground would this average woman be paid the same as me if she would be instated in the same job I do, even though I will be three times as effective as she would be? (As said, wage equality is company policy, but some jobs are just not made for all genders and sexes, mind and body builds).

This is a serious question I would like to hear a feminist theory answer on. It's not a trap, just a lack of profound knowledge on my side.

Can an average man do your job to the same degree? If he couldn't would you think he deserved the same pay? If a woman (average or otherwise) displayed the abiility to do your job almost, just as or even a little better than you would you think she deserved lless pay?

As for the biolobiological differences I generally understand that's all still heavily debated in the scientific community.

[knightkrawler]

That's not answering my question in the least, but merely posing the same question in other words.
My original question was to feminist theory, not my masculine experience.

[cornixt]

Now, the question is, on what theoretic ground would this average woman be paid the same as me if she would be instated in the same job I do, even though I will be three times as effective as she would be? (As said, wage equality is company policy, but some jobs are just not made for all genders and sexes, mind and body builds).

I expect that an average woman would be paid exactly the same as a weaker-than-average man who was in that job, which you say is the same for anyone who does the job.

[knightkrawler]

No, you misunderstand, maybe I didn'T express myself clearly. Or maybe I misunderstand you.
To clear up: a too-much-weaker-than average man will be found a different job within the company, to keep a certain department performance. No woman could ever keep up in the least.
The company offers many different jobs, but the one I work is only done by men because no woman ever having tried showed any signs of future efficiency (all of them admitted it will not be "theirs"), to put it in very cold terms.
The different jobs within the company are all paid equally, for men and women both, which is a good thing because in theory all jobs could be done by all. Just not mine, somehow. It's like... I don't know, sticking a 170-pound woman into FC Barcelona as a centre-back and giving her Iniesta's wage... It just won't work (pardon the pun).

[whitebeard]

I'll put myself out there and claim I understood every one of Gold Bearer's posts in this here thread the way it was intended.
I shot coke out of my nose at some. So, there's that.

Well... For reasons posted in a locked thread, I always assume GB is a dumb a$$ and hence my reply to his "well that was off-topic" comment. So you really cannot fault me for reading it wrong.

And for my part, @GB, I am sorry I did not read your post correctly. It was cute, if not funny.

@Cyn: How do you feel about the minis posted on that Feb kickstarter. With my "man goggles" they don't look sexist. Clearly the HQ minis are alpha males and these are alpha females who would easily kill anyone with less fighting experience, and their equipment is equally practical. So we are good right?

That special edition female barbarian I saw posted earlier is missing a unibrow. Green stuff anyone?

[Once was Mortimer]

That's not answering my question in the least, but merely posing the same question in other words.
My original question was to feminist theory, not my masculine experience.

But it puts into perspective what feminism means when it says 'equal pay'.

Anyway, you'd have to define the 'average' woman more clearly ... what the hell is that? All woman less capable than you? There for, they automatically fall under your stereotype?

Your question simply needs more questions to have it answered. Like is this 'average' woman equal to or capable than other males in your workforce that are paid equal to you. Can you really consider yourselves 'average' men? It just feels your presuming the 'equal pay' thing is that women are asked to be paid as much for sitting around doing their nails all day and gossiping on the phone when she should be helping to build a skyscraper.

Ironically I was checking your linked thread and the my libraries network banned it for inappropriate images