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First quest: The Maze or The Trial?

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Re: First quest: The Maze or The Trial?

Postby The Admiral » Sunday October 28th, 2018 11:50am

Anderas wrote:A statistical loss of 21.7 BP, plus or minus 8, is quite a lot to ask from a beginner's group.


Is that for the US or EU version?


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Re: First quest: The Maze or The Trial?

Postby Anderas » Sunday October 28th, 2018 12:12pm

US Monsters... The EU version had no trial really. :)


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Re: First quest: The Maze or The Trial?

Postby knightkrawler » Sunday October 28th, 2018 12:16pm

Anderas wrote:US Monsters... The EU version had no trial really. :)


Well, 2nd edition had The Trial, but it wasn't a trial. |_P
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Re: First quest: The Maze or The Trial?

Postby mitchiemasha » Sunday October 28th, 2018 10:43pm

If i ever revisit the base game quest book with a group, i'll go with making the trial the last quest. If it was a random one off event, a group not becoming a group, the Trial would be the choice to play with them, shame no traps though!


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Re: First quest: The Maze or The Trial?

Postby Spookyhappyfun » Monday October 29th, 2018 4:24pm

I've switched the order of the Quests a bit (and added a little more story) so it'll go Sir Ragnar, Orc Warlord, Melar's Maze, Magnus' Gold, and The Trial will be the fifth Quest, or first proper boss fight (against Verag, one of Zargon's lieutenants) where you level up at the end. After that the next three are normal and I'll add in an additional Quest, pushing Race Against Time to number 10. This will be the first time Zargon actually takes notice of the Heroes directly and I can use the Evil Wizard Cards for the first time, making getting out a proper race against time. They will then level up after that. Finally, the last 5 quests will be the same, making Return to Barak-Tor the 15th and final with the last level up of the base game.

So for me, The Trial isn't first, but is the first real boss fight and proper trial. I also have it so players don't get Monster Cards for reference until they encounter and defeat a monster the first time, so rearranging the Quests gives a nice buildup to The Trial where the Heroes encounter all the Monsters and are able to use the information they've learned.
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Re: First quest: The Maze or The Trial?

Postby The Admiral » Monday October 29th, 2018 6:11pm

Yes, Sir Ragnar/Orc Warlord would be my preferred start.


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Re: First quest: The Maze or The Trial?

Postby Kurgan » Saturday February 1st, 2020 2:23pm

We lost a lot of Heroes back in the day playing "the Trial" so now it's a rite of passage, but I agree, it is a tough one to start with, even with the small consolation of "no traps" (I have had players balk when they draw a "hazard" card... like it was misleading, that's a trap!!). It was the first and last experience of Hero Quest for a lot of players, I agree. So looking back, probably the Maze (or some other homebrew like "the Arena") would be better as their first ever play.

But how well does the Trial hold up for Veteran players?

It's not pretty, but I beefed up the NA version a bit with some extras from the EU editions. Yes, I used 5 treasure chests, doesn't everybody have extras by now? (you can always say the Treasure is inside another piece of furniture if you run out) :2cents:
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Re: First quest: The Maze or The Trial?

Postby Anderas » Saturday February 1st, 2020 2:53pm

As a Veteran I would enjoy the Trial! As a Veteran I know I have no problem with dying heroes when they are brand new. As a Veteran I just don't do those beginners errors.

The Trial is survivable. In average the group loses 21 BP. So each hero should come out with one BP, only, we have two healing spells in the group. As a Wizard I would keep the Barbarian functioning as long as possible, so there is someone with 3 AT.
As a Wizard, once the Barbarian is gone, I would convince the dwarf to pick up the sword and be our meatshield from that point on.
I mean.
They have 2 and 3 MP, respectively. The morality is not so different from killing a cow for food, right?

Once they are definitely dead, the Elf can wield the Broadsword. Also, if those two take the damage, more BP stay for the Elf and the Wizard.

Yes. I think like that since I started to calculate all those quests. "Hm if that one takes the damage, this one will last longer..." :mrgreen: :lol:


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Re: First quest: The Maze or The Trial?

Postby Kurgan » Saturday February 29th, 2020 4:18pm

Here's a quick PDF rendering of "The Trial" version 2 from the Heroscribe page, done EU style... (all credit to them).
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Re: First quest: The Maze or The Trial?

Postby Kurgan » Saturday February 29th, 2020 4:19pm

And here's my "Champion Edition" of the Trial done in EU style (but without notes for the extra chest contents, that one is up to Zargon...!). See attachment... and feel free to use/modify to your liking in your own packs. ;)
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