Where do you disarm a trap from?

[Daedalus]

Allowing the heroes to jump any "found" trap makes sense as a workaround, and I think that is the approach in the NA version, but I'm trying to understand the official UK rules first and I don't think they allow you to jump a found trap only to jump a pit (in the sense of a pit trap that has already been activated).

While you are correct that jumping a trap works in the NA version, I had also checked the harder-to-parse EU version.

Jumping a Pit
Characters and monsters may attempt to jump across a pit trap. They must have enough movement to get across the pit, counting the pit square as one space. . . .

The section title is misleading. Though a pit is part of a pit trap, they are not exactly the same thing. A pit is only the resulting obstacle once triggered; it is not also the other state, a found element (a one-square pit not yet triggered) represented by a removable pit tile placed on the board:

Secret doors and traps
. . . Pit traps and falling block traps are placed onto the board when found. . . . Trap tiles may be removed from the board . . ."

My interpretation goes as follows: A Hero finds a pit trap marked on the Quest map and so Morcar places a pit trap tile at the board location. Knowing where this potentially dangerous obstacle is located, he can jump the pit trap/pit square as per the first cited rule above rather than attempting a disarm attempt or voluntarily stumbling into it.

I should mention that I've never played the EU rules. While I consider my judgement handicapped by lack of experience, I also feel my assessment is unburdened by previous play bias. So feel free to accept or reject my interpretation, of course. Unlike the print in the Rules of Play, I understand that everything is not all black and white.

[Gold Bearer]

Unlike the print in the Rules of Play, I understand that everything is not all black and white.

But a lot of the rules are black and white and a lot of the printed rules aren't.

I'm sorry.

[Daedalus]

Unlike the print in the Rules of Play, I understand that everything is not all black and white.

But a lot of the rules are black and white and a lot of the printed rules aren't.

I'm sorry.

Allow me to clarify my meaning. I meant that while it is accepted by myself that there is a degree of ambiguity behind the intent of some of the rules in the Rules of Play, the color of the printed text is certainly black and the pages that it is printed on is unequivocally white. So at least we can agree that the color is definite. Apology accepted.

[BlackJax]

Jumping a Pit
Characters and monsters may attempt to jump across a pit trap. They must have enough movement to get across the pit, counting the pit square as one space. . . .

The section title is misleading. Though a pit is part of a pit trap, they are not exactly the same thing. A pit is only the resulting obstacle once triggered; it is not also the other state, a found element (a one-square pit not yet triggered) represented by a removable pit tile placed on the board:

Secret doors and traps
. . . Pit traps and falling block traps are placed onto the board when found. . . . Trap tiles may be removed from the board . . ."

My interpretation goes as follows: A Hero finds a pit trap marked on the Quest map and so Morcar places a pit trap tile at the board location. Knowing where this potentially dangerous obstacle is located, he can jump the pit trap/pit square as per the first cited rule above rather than attempting a disarm attempt or voluntarily stumbling into it.

Possibly but this section of the rules uses the word "pit" in the title and twice in the quoted text, but "pit trap" only once in the quoted text so isn't it more likely that the "pit trap" is the misleading part?

Also if we accept (not sure that I do but if) that it did mean Pit Trap then where does it say how we are supposed to handle a Falling Block Trap (not a fallen Blocked Square Tile) but the found but not yet triggered Falling Block Trap as you would expect/hope them to be consitent but that isn't mentioned in reference to Jumping?

[Daedalus]

Didja ever post a reply and lose it? I think this is my fourth go at it (VPN effect), so it's shortened. I do appreciate your thoughts and have learned something about the Rules of Play from them.

Jumping a Pit
Characters and monsters may attempt to jump across a pit trap. They must have enough movement to get across the pit, counting the pit square as one space. . . .

The section title is misleading. Though a pit is part of a pit trap, they are not exactly the same thing. A pit is only the resulting obstacle once triggered; it is not also the other state, a found element (a one-square pit not yet triggered) represented by a removable pit tile placed on the board:

Secret doors and traps
. . . Pit traps and falling block traps are placed onto the board when found. . . . Trap tiles may be removed from the board . . ."

My interpretation goes as follows: A Hero finds a pit trap marked on the Quest map and so Morcar places a pit trap tile at the board location. Knowing where this potentially dangerous obstacle is located, he can jump the pit trap/pit square as per the first cited rule above rather than attempting a disarm attempt or voluntarily stumbling into it.

Possibly but this section of the rules uses the word "pit" in the title and twice in the quoted text, but "pit trap" only once in the quoted text so isn't it more likely that the "pit trap" is the misleading part?

Also if we accept (not sure that I do but if) that it did mean Pit Trap then where does it say how we are supposed to handle a Falling Block Trap (not a fallen Blocked Square Tile) but the found but not yet triggered Falling Block Trap as you would expect/hope them to be consitent but that isn't mentioned in reference to Jumping?

Thinking upon this from your perspective as a long-time EU player, I think you are already onto the correct conclusions without my input. That said, taking the NA perspective into account (as I am want to do as I started from that ruleset), I'm happy with the slight wiggle-room provided by the single pit trap reference as it acts as a topic sentence for the paragraph. The paragraph would better support my interpretation if the next sentence had read: "They must have enough movement to get across the pit trap, counting the pit square as one space," but it doesn't.

Thinking upon the lack of mention about jumping a falling block trap, it would have been better to insert this sentence as a third paragraph of Secret doors and traps: "Once found, characters may jump a square marked by a pit trap or falling block trap tile. They must have enough movement, counting the tile square as one space." But it doesn't.

The what if just above is basically a repeat found under Jumping a Pit, meaning inefficient writing would be included to just fit it in. So my point is only illustrative of how to apply the understanding of rules to the concepts of another section rather than relying on RAW. I don't believe this will help in your case as the assumption isn't supported enough for your criteria, but there you are.

[wallydubbs]

It's happened to me often enough that I was writing paragraphs in replies and then I press the wrong thing or get logged out... Yeah it happened to me often enough. So I completely understand.
The argument, I stopped caring about. I have my own way of doing it and it works for me.

[The Admiral]

The argument, I stopped caring about. I have my own way of doing it and it works for me.

This is Heroquest 101 for me.