dwarf kings hold kickstart

[Schmidt]

I like the idea of minor and major spells. That might be house ruled for HQ: healing spells and genie can only be used once per quest, destructive/defensive spells can be reused after 2 or 3 turns and the rest can be used again after 1 or 2 turns.

[Patroclus]

I just discovered the existence of this. I must confess, it looks awesome and I'm highly tempted.

Anybody check out the rules yet?
I guess these are the beta rules
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mant ... aga_03.pdf


I'm curious what some of the hardcore dudes here would have to say about the rules/mechanics...

I don’t like the fixed movement, though it is a lot faster than rolling dices I don’t like the idea to know exactly how far I can go.

Players can Move & Hit and can’t Hit & Move. This will turn the game to “go adjacent and roll dices until the enemy is killed”. The monsters can’t lure you to a trap or step back so you won’t reach them on your round. This is bad.

The limited number of monsters that can be played from GM each turn. A GM who is counting his monsters while moving them could be a pain.

The front arc rule. Why did they do that? I suppose they like the idea to “stand your ground and roll dices until someone dies”. The death zones of advanced HQ are deactivated when one hero steps on them, so another hero can progress its movement further. The front arc rule blocks all the heroes from movement. Imagine a room with 4 Goblins and a Wizard in the far wall. You have to kill all the goblins to reach the wizard…

I like the idea of modifiers though I want more details to choose if this works for me.

I am tired to see games that supposed to be dungeon crawlers but they are not. They are skirmish games, without any exploration, for example to find the exit or the hidden artifact or etc etc. They are just arenas like mini-war games and you are trying to survive and kill the opponent. Take a look at those missions. Missions(I can’t say quests) with 2 or 3 rooms?… It’s sad…

ps: HQ rules, by the way…

[Ragnar IronFist]

[Ragnar IronFist]

But seriously...thanks Patrocius, for the input. I've been curious what the HeroQuest folks think about the actual mechanics of Dwarf King's Quest. So far it seems the opinion is less than stellar!

[TheTerraintutor]

I've playtested the alpha rules and to be honest, I found them boring. Movement and exploration was non-existent, the combat system lacked the tension you normally get with dicing off for combat. Heroquest it ain't!

[mitchiemasha]

I don’t like the fixed movement,

I'm with you. Even fixed rules modding HQ... I'm like NOOOO! Don't like it in AHQ either.

The uncertainty of what you might roll, trying to help a friend or run away can spice the game up. People think rolling to move is unrealistic. I'd say it is realistic. If you were storming forward you might slip. 12 is the maximum you could possibly run forward. Rolling the dice represents how well your footing is. If you rolled 3, obviously you tripped! unless of course you only wanted to move 3 so you moved slowly.

The house rules i'm working on, include a roll double bonus or not so bonus!!! Like double 5 Gives you move - attack - move. still max of ten movement! Double always seem exciting when you roll them but nothing exciting happens in the game, this changes it!

[Ragnar IronFist]

So would there be a way-warmer reception about this game if players rolled for movement? Just wondering. I don't work for mantic, I promise. Just feeling so alone in my excitement lol

Edit: Also realizing we haven't been shown the 'advanced' rules yet. They just may have movement rolls as far as we know. Now I'm really hoping, because you all make very good points! Lol

[mitchiemasha]

I was thinking it was only me who liked roll for movement. With most serious gamers liking a fix stat. Especially how many mods of HQ are fixed and many games that came out after are fixed.

Looks like some nice work has gone into this set though! Shame i'm a retro unplugged guy!

[Patroclus]

So would there be a way-warmer reception about this game if players rolled for movement? Just wondering. I don't work for mantic, I promise. Just feeling so alone in my excitement lol

Edit: Also realizing we haven't been shown the 'advanced' rules yet. They just may have movement rolls as far as we know. Now I'm really hoping, because you all make very good points! Lol

Movement and “front arc” rule. If you remove those two the game won’t be so combat tactics oriented.

Another thing that is weird is the regeneration of the enemies each turn. If you can’t kill them in players turn, they get all their hit points back. So, for the tough monsters of this game you will need many lucky rolls in the same round!

But the most promising thing is the modifiers. If their combat system is well made, then this is enough to make it a good game. You have full power when your HP is full and you get penalty on attack rolls when there are more monsters around you. With a balanced amount of healing potions, a lot of interesting things could happen…

Make your house rules! Even the Heroquest on its first (European) edition all the enemies have 1 Body point…

[Daedalus]

The front arc doesn't bother me. My problem is the need to align dice for comparison every roll. This feels tedious to me. Perhaps after many plays you can simply glance and compare, but I'm not too sure everybody has the same learning curve and mistakes may be made unless those dice are lined up.

The game does have some good elements, though. The flexibility of sides and AI sounds promising. One thing that will remain a limit is its skirmish backbone, so it won't likely make much of a dungeon crawler. This is my issue with the new Descent, as well. Perhaps if I actually played such a game, I'd change my attitude. As it is, my Mordheim experience has left me wary of the time drag of both sides always struggling for the upper hand.