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[Quest Pack] [14 Quests] - Rise of the Chaos God

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Re: [Quest Pack] [14 Quests] - Rise of the Chaos God

Postby Kurgan » Saturday December 12th, 2020 10:34am

Okay I forgot that if you're playing by NA rules, you may be using the NA Treasure deck, which has different amounts for gold than the Japanese/EU (would have to double check again to note any differences). For instance the "10 gold x 1 red die" card never appears in the NA Treasure deck! Then again when I play, I have copies of all the "unique" cards from the other versions incorporated into my NA deck.

So those totals will be a bit different if you're playing strictly by the NA rules with the Japanese system. Still, that's a ton of gold, but it's mainly so that you can gamble to level up your body points!

(and we're assuming you're not throwing in any of the expansion treasure from EQP/BQP or WOM here)

EU Treasure Deck:

Gem! (50 pieces)
Gold! (1 Red Die x10 pieces, so 10-60)
Gold! (10 pieces)
Gold! (20 pieces)
Gold! (25 pieces)
Gold! (25 pieces)
Gold! (50 pieces)
Jewels! (50 pieces)
Treasure Horde! (100 pieces)

Total: 340-390


NA Treasure Deck:

2x Gem! (35 pieces each, 70 total pieces)
2x Gold! (15 pieces each, 30 total pieces)
2x Gold! (25 pieces each, 50 total pieces)
2x Jewels! (50 pieces each, 100 total pieces)

Total (quite a bit less!): 250


...and now from the official set (I can't read Japanese but the numbers don't change):

Japanese Treasure deck:

Gold! (I THINK this is the same as the "10 x 1 red die" so we'll say 10-60 pieces)
Gold! (25 pieces)
Gold! (35 pieces)
Jewels! (80 pieces)
Gem! (50 pieces)
Treasure Horde! (100 pieces)

I double checked the translation of the instructions (rule book) and it says the cards are discarded after they are found until the next quest, so...

Total: 300-350, slightly less than the EU rules


So if using the NA deck, subtract 50-100 gold per quest (700-1,400 less by the end!). But if you're being strict, you should also subtract the monster bounties in this and the EU version (EU version would ADD 40 gold per quest, so 560 more by the end). But then that also means no leveling up, so you get to spend your money on whatever. The EU equipment deck is obviously different than the Japanese Equipment or the NA armory.

Japanese Equipment costs:
Yes, according to the rules, Equipment IS limited to the number of cards, just like the 1st or "premiere" UK edition.

4x Healing Potion (2 BP each; 200 gold each)
2x Helmet (250 gold each)
3x Shield (150 gold each)
Plate Mail (850 gold)
Cloak of Protection (350 gold)
Chainmail (500 gold)
Spear (150 gold)
Hand axe (250 gold)
Staff (100 gold)
Shortsword (250 gold)
Broadsword (500 gold)
Crossbow (350 gold)

Don't forget of course that we have starting weapons that could also be traded or sold back at half price, namely a pair of shortswords and a broadsword.


Compare:

EU Equipment costs:
(yes, you can buy as many multiples of the same item as you can afford!)

Battle axe (400 gold)
Short sword (100 gold)
Broadsword (250 gold)
The Helmet (120 gold)
The Shield (100 gold)
Bracers (200 gold)
Chain mail (450 gold)
Plate armour (850 gold)
Cloak of Protection (350 gold)
Crossbow (350 gold)
Hand Axe (150 gold)
Spear (150 gold)
Staff (100 gold)
Tool kit (250 gold)

As other have pointed out, there's nothing in the official rules about being able to sell equipment back in this version.


compare:

NA Armory costs:

Staff (100 gold)
Dagger (25 gold)
Shortsword (150 gold)
Broadsword (250 gold)
Longsword (350 gold)
Battle Axe (450 gold)
Crossbow (350 gold)
Toolkit (250 gold)
Helmet (125 gold)
Shield (150 gold)
Chainmail (500 gold)
Plate Mail (850 gold)

No limits on number of times you can buy the same item, and of course you can sell back any at half list price.


There's also the fact that in the Japanese rules, if you die (and don't have the Talisman of Lore/Life yet) it takes all your gold to revive you (each Hero can get revived one time this way) in the next Quest. So even without any mercs to hire and no Alchemist shop, there's still opportunities to lose some of that accumulated loot! Keep in mind in the Japanese rules you can't use Potions or Spells to save you from dying (much like the EU version).

And this would be a slight change too, because in the other versions, presumably the surviving Heroes could claim your money and just give it to you when you returned, in this case they have to pay the Temple to get you back!

Edit: Fixed some typos and omissions.
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Re: [Quest Pack] [14 Quests] - Rise of the Chaos God

Postby Kurgan » Friday January 8th, 2021 12:45pm

I have been working on card images for the Intermediate Magic spells for this version of the game.

Of course to match the color scheme of the original cards, they ought to be in full black and white, rather than the red/brown ink on "yellowed" background, but these are early versions.
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Re: [Quest Pack] [14 Quests] - Rise of the Chaos God

Postby j_dean80 » Wednesday January 20th, 2021 10:54am

I’m thinking this Pack would play out better using ninjas, samurai, and ronin for the monsters.
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Re: [Quest Pack] [14 Quests] - Rise of the Chaos God

Postby Kurgan » Wednesday January 20th, 2021 6:19pm

Surely there are tons of monsters from Japanese lore that could be used (sample here), if you're looking for substitutions. Demons, ghosts and things like that... and of course, everyone's favorite dragon, Gojira!!!! (Godzilla!!!!)

Princess Mononoke might be a source of some inspiration. Or better yet, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind!
Imagine facing wrathful animal gods, or a long-dead giant warrior!

Personally, I don't have a problem using the "western" Heroquest cast of characters... these are Zargon's forces (here he is known as the Demon King) invading the Imperial Nifon island group, and Mentor has sent you on a mission of aide to "our allies to the East."


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Re: [Quest Pack] [14 Quests] - Rise of the Chaos God

Postby Kurgan » Saturday February 6th, 2021 2:22pm

Has anyone successfully printed this in booklet form? (I'm talking here NA style, horizontally oriented, opens upward, type, as opposed to EU style, opens from the right to the left vertical orientation).

I see you're saying print 1, 11 (front, back) and 2, 18, but what about the rest?

The file I'm working from is "Rise of the Chaos God - Quest Book(2).pdf" maybe I'm just too tired to figure it out... :?


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Re: [Quest Pack] [14 Quests] - Rise of the Chaos God

Postby wallydubbs » Sunday February 7th, 2021 2:59pm

Kurgan wrote:Has anyone successfully printed this in booklet form? (I'm talking here NA style, horizontally oriented, opens upward, type, as opposed to EU style, opens from the right to the left vertical orientation).

I see you're saying print 1, 11 (front, back) and 2, 18, but what about the rest?

The file I'm working from is "Rise of the Chaos God - Quest Book(2).pdf" maybe I'm just too tired to figure it out... :?



Yes, I've done it: first it's page 1/11, like you said, but the 2nd page should be 12/13, 14/15, 16/17, 18/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8, 9/10.

So the order of print should be Page 1, Pages 11-18, Pages 2-10


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Re: [Quest Pack] [14 Quests] - Rise of the Chaos God

Postby Kurgan » Monday February 8th, 2021 7:44am

Great, I appreciate that wallydubbs.


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Re: [Quest Pack] [14 Quests] - Rise of the Chaos God

Postby j_dean80 » Monday February 15th, 2021 7:45pm

Played through Quest 11 with the kids Sunday and it hit them hard on BP. It looked easy with the lack of monsters but the number of traps took a toll. Borough only got 1 spell off though (firestorm). He needed some guards in the room to help. We had a good time.
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Re: [Quest Pack] [14 Quests] - Rise of the Chaos God

Postby j_dean80 » Saturday March 6th, 2021 9:00pm

So in the Warhammer World, who would Grimdead the Chaos God be?
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Re: [Quest Pack] [14 Quests] - Rise of the Chaos God

Postby Davane » Sunday March 7th, 2021 1:09pm

j_dean80 wrote:So in the Warhammer World, who would Grimdead the Chaos God be?


He'd be a Daemon Prince or similar, striving to become one of the true Chaos Gods.

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