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Re: Battle Magicians

Postby StratosVX » September 10th, 2014, 1:19 am

chaoticprime wrote:Evoker. "A word made up by Wizard of the Coast."


Straight from my computer's dictionary:

evoke |iˈvōk|
verb [ with obj. ]
1 bring or recall to the conscious mind: the sight of American asters evokes pleasant memories of childhood.
• elicit (a response): the awkward kid who evoked giggles from his sisters.
2 invoke (a spirit or deity).
DERIVATIVES
evocation |ˌēvōˈkāSHən, ˌevə-| noun.
evoker noun
ORIGIN early 17th cent. ( sense 2): from Latin evocare, from e- (variant of ex-)‘out of, from’ + vocare ‘to call.’


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Re: Battle Magicians

Postby knightkrawler » September 10th, 2014, 1:41 am

Lexically, 'evoker' is not a word. 'Evocator' is the noun to 'evoke'. Try both on leo.org, which is usually the first thing to do in such cases.
But that has to do with the Latin root stratoxVX posted. 'Evocator', 'Evocatio' got derived from Latin into English directly.
If 'evoke' was an original English or even french-derived word, the noun for it with the meaning 'evocator' has would be 'evoker' now.
The other way round, 'evocate' would have been the persistent loan verb.

Basically, there's nothing wrong with inventing nouns for hero classes. I do it. I have a Guildthief and a Waywatcher and a Soulwhisperer and a Clanwarrior and so on.
I contract them all because as an intuitive Linguist I'm all anal-retentive about word structure. My being German tells me, nouns built from less than three smaller nouns should still be one word, not a two word term. I hate that.
'Longsword', but 'short sword'? I changed that differentiating.
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Re: Battle Magicians

Postby Goblin-King » September 10th, 2014, 3:36 am

Captain Obvious wrote:Just remember that languages are not static, but are always evolving, stealing and inventing.


Also I love being Danish. All compound words are written as a single word:

Short sword = Any sword that just happens to be short ("short" is an adjective here)
Shortsword = A type of sword


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Re: Battle Magicians

Postby knightkrawler » September 10th, 2014, 4:16 am

Goblin-King wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:Just remember that languages are not static, but are always evolving, stealing and inventing.


Also I love being Danish. All compound words are written as a single word:

Short sword = Any sword that just happens to be short ("short" is an adjective here)
Shortsword = A type of sword


That's what we Germans do, too. We just exaggerate with nounification. 'Unternehmensberaterneueinstellungskriterium'... What the fraggle. But I must say, we try to avoid such atrocities nowadays.

But as I said, I will use one-word terms for all nouns combined from less than two shorter nouns for my ruleset (still have to think of a name - the best are gone; I'm looking at you, Teldurn and chaoticprime!). It feels right to use 'shortsword', 'battleaxe', 'questknight' and 'warplate'.
If those are all completely elegant, will be a matter of taste, really. But there's no logic prohibiting such creations.

That being said, 'evoker' to me sounds as awkward as 'evocator', so there's nothing wrong with using it for a game. The verb loaned into English from Latin/French should have been 'evocate' in the first place, but English is nothing if not inconsistent in its ruleset or lack thereof.
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Re: Battle Magicians

Postby Goblin-King » September 10th, 2014, 6:29 am

Deep inhale... supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!

Actually I applaud any game/setting that is able to invent new words and classes in a meaningful way.
If we always had to use stuff that was already invented... yeah...


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Re: Battle Magicians

Postby Gold Bearer » September 10th, 2014, 8:57 am

I might change it to Invoker, that’s what I had in mind when I first thought of it but I wrote Evoker by mistake and kept it because I liked the sound of it. Invoker makes more sense though with the storm master spells. I’ll make a couple of new lightning bolt spell cards for the chaos and storm master decks changing the names to lightning and lightning blast because I’m using three different versions with the D&D based one in the talisman set.

I made a few updates to the cards and rules to neaten it up and credited the artists.
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Re: Battle Magicians

Postby torilen » September 10th, 2014, 10:20 am

Where did you get the pictures for your cards? I love those (most of them).


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Re: Battle Magicians

Postby Gold Bearer » September 10th, 2014, 1:25 pm

Google. :) deviantart and digital-art-gallery have got a lot of good ones. I've got some really nice monster cards as well that I'll post soon, when all of faction type is done I'll post them.

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Re: Battle Magicians

Postby slev » September 10th, 2014, 2:12 pm

chaoticprime wrote:They also invented the term "longsword;" it was meant as a blanket term for many types of hand-and-a-half cut and thrust swords. Mage is short for Magic-User. They really did invent the following and their related concepts: RPG, Role-Playing Game, Experience Points, Psionics, studded leather armor and that's all I can remember atm.


Interestin, the correct term for what most RPGs and the like would call a "longsword" would technically be an arming sword. Similarly what most games describe as a "short sword" is technically a seax.


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Re: Battle Magicians

Postby chaoticprime » September 10th, 2014, 10:48 pm

slev wrote:
chaoticprime wrote:They also invented the term "longsword;" it was meant as a blanket term for many types of hand-and-a-half cut and thrust swords. Mage is short for Magic-User. They really did invent the following and their related concepts: RPG, Role-Playing Game, Experience Points, Psionics, studded leather armor and that's all I can remember atm.


Interestin, the correct term for what most RPGs and the like would call a "longsword" would technically be an arming sword. Similarly what most games describe as a "short sword" is technically a seax.


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