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[Shadzar]

[The following fourteen posts were split from the Heroquest remake by Hasbro - The BIG discussion thread.]

more bad news showing WotC has been in charge of HQ all along...

You only needed to look at the cringe that has been @heroquest to figure that one out, I think.

OH it just got worse. WotC is doing it all on the orders of HASBRO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwN8NFRLpo8

[whitebeard]

Why is this thread so toxic? Hate has no place here. If you see something you don't like just tell yourself "That's not for me" and move on.

Politics are out of bounds. You keep pushing towards that line and yep, no surprise, here it is. Go back to your partisan echo chamber, you'll find no one here to play along here.

If this is only the first offense and no ban is coming, then I am embarrased to say I once supported this forum.

This entire thread should be expunged.

[Shadzar]

If you see something you don't like just tell yourself "That's not for me" and move on.

You seem to have come to a self realization. Follow your own advice.

Nobody that backed the HasLab campaign paid for what we are getting:
Lack of communication other than silly jokes on Twitter.
Insulted by the company.
D&D rejects trying to force their issues into the game.
Miscommunication on the game components.
Potential rules telling children they are "R", and have "white privileged".

Not our fault Hasbro has forced this issue and others into EVERYTHING they make.

If they gave actual info, we cold discuss it like the flimsy minis insert, the bad painting of the minis samples, the different dice from Twitter and EBGames. Sadly they give no info, so we must apply what we find to this release from places where we can piece it together. We discussing this didn't add "orc bards" to the game. We also didn't claim the game was sexist for not having a female Hero initially in the core game.

They above video you can watch or not watch. It jsut proves the fears of many of us about the design direction and hat we spent our money on, and if it gets a ful release, what future expansions might be.

If HasLabs, HASBRO, WotC, Avalon Hill; wishes to give actual information, then we can discuss other things.

I for one am tired of sitting on my rear end for 15 months of COVID, while HASBRO has been sitting on our money for 9 months, and cant even give product images while they appear on a Canadian EBGames website. They haven't given a card list for anything, not treasure, not equipment, not spells, so what do you wish to discuss in this thread other than speculation, when they are not giving any information to discuss?

no pale for "hate" you say, well tough, some people hate the ideas they have already shown to be wanting to inject into HQ. "orcs are black people" nonsense that has no place in games or even HQ from the Tolkien argument, because Orcs are a fungus growth. I think that is what they were in GW?

So when you can get Goldner or Cocks to give any information, since one of them runs Avalon Hill, as it seems to have no actual division head, then we will be able to discuss things other than speculation and anger at having to wait for months wondering where is our money being spent? Will the global shipping delays that has MANY things out of China backed up for 12 months going to make HQ delayed until Fall 2022?

We would all love to be debating the new NA rules edits, but they can't even give those out while the original games rules are there for everyone to see.

[FainFlynn]

Why is this thread so toxic? Hate has no place here. If you see something you don't like just tell yourself "That's not for me" and move on.

Politics are out of bounds. You keep pushing towards that line and yep, no surprise, here it is. Go back to your partisan echo chamber, you'll find no one here to play along here.

If this is only the first offense and no ban is coming, then I am embarrased to say I once supported this forum.

This entire thread should be expunged.

Let's just calm down a bit before we get all frothy-mouthed, whitebeard.

It appears Hasbro/AH are the ones bringing politics, or at least political correctness/nonsense, to their games and products. An idea, which to many, would inappropriate and odd, to be fair. Maybe disclosure that you're doing this so consumers can make an informed decision?

To be clear, I am not here debating the merits of anything being said, good or bad.

This forum exists to talk about a game which we love dearly, which is, sad to say, being bastardized for reasons we couldn't understand. And now this video comes out from someone on the inside showing that Hasbro is consulting with some hard left diversity consulting firm, and infecting their products with things that didn't need to be there.

None of these changes ruins my day, or affects me in any meaningful way, but I sure as hell don't mind talking about it.

It's not "hate" or "toxic" to debate (kindly) topics that cause dissonance. Shutting down dissenting opinions in a blanket with popular labels like you're doing IS toxic to any reasonable debate or discussion, and no way to get your point across.

That said, I'd ask anyone else opining on these things keep it civil and hear each other out.

[cornixt]

This is not talking about the product, it's promoting a right-wing victim agenda. The evidence for this is flimsy at best, which is why there is more vague pointing an Orc bards and female miniatures than anything of any substance. Cautious optimism is replaced by anger and hate. A good example is how an artist who has done commissioned work for D&D has also done work on the new Heroquest - as if that proves anything at all. The video above is another example - the Hasbro material is basically saying let's not be racist in our products because kids are influenced by them and it is being reinterpreted as promoting segregation.

It's just ridiculous.

[whitebeard]

If you see something you don't like just tell yourself "That's not for me" and move on.

You seem to have come to a self realization. Follow your own advice.

The difference is, your post BREAKS FORUM RULES and your follow-up does as well. Your posts and content do not belong here . PERIOD. This is not an opinion, it is a forum policy fact. Looking the other way and allowing you to continue reflects poorly on all of us.

@FainFlynn. Can you not hear yourself?
"bastardized" and "infecting"... These words are by definition toxic and clearly illustrate your disdain. This thread has been building to this point for a while. I come to this thread to see if Hasbo has posted anything new. And instead I'm bombarded by a series of disparaging posts.

Expressing my own opinion and debating on your topic is not allowed, whether I agree with you or not.

[cynthialee]

Far to political.

The Right Wing does not own society. The right wing does not speak for HeroQuest fans. The right wing is doing everything it can to protect the racist systems.

I said my peace and left this alone, but not now.

You guys crying you see 'woke' in every corner are the ones ruining HeroQuest....Not those of us who see society must change and racism is evil. Which should not even be political. We fought a civil war over this and the racists lost. You don't get a redo, society will change and your grandchildren will be civil people who disdain racists. Suck it up buttercup.

Myself I welcome an Orc Bard and cannon can go suck a lemmon.

[ajjohnsen]

Yea, I mean I dont think it's toxic to give your opinion on something as long as you're not personally attacking anyone in the Inn. Like it or not our world is increasingly more and more political as even something like a Heroquest board game is injected with present day politics...is this bad? Well that's a personal opinion and it's not toxic or our of bounds for a member here to comment on their personal opinion on the subject. At least in my opinion its not out of bounds

And to be clear, I think that the people doing the remake primarily have done an awesome job and I'm willing to overlook some "wokeness" as it really doesn't affect me at all...I simply will use or not use what I wish in this game

[FainFlynn]

*too.

""bastardized" and "infecting"... These words are by definition toxic and clearly illustrate your disdain. This thread has been building to this point for a while. I come to this thread to see if Hasbro has posted anything new. And instead I'm bombarded by a series of disparaging posts."

@whitebeard

Bastardizing: change (something) in such a way as to lower its quality or value, typically by adding new elements.

Yes, that is exactly what Hasbro is doing to HQ. It's not toxic to say so, it's describing it for what it is. I feel some of the new elements lower the quality of the product. I don't care what it is they're bastardizing and infecting it with, but the bottom line is, they're doing it. They're doing it with something that has nothing to do with the topics they're doing it with. It serves no purpose to the story, the game or anything having to do with heroquest. It doesn't enhance it in any way. An orc bard is just corny. Lots of the stuff they've added in is just corny. And knowing they're doing it because of some whacked out CRT consulting firm is just pointless.

Having an opinion on the quality of something, just because I don't like it, doesn't make my opinion toxic. Please, take a breath, and learn to handle dissenting viewpoints.

[whitebeard]

Again. The issue with your "dissenting viewpoint" is that the introduction of it is specifically against the rules of the Inn.

HQ expansions are going exactly where we all should have expect them to go. HQ is now a gateway game specifically linked to D&D. Hasbro owns both. This is a business decision. It is cheaper to recycle IP and has obvious benefits in hooking players on the ecosystem... Love this Quest Book? The adventure continues in D&D 5th Ed, XYZ mission booklet.

I can and have derided the lack of creativity and originality in doing this. Certain flavors don't mix for me. In my book, "High Adventure" is not the same as "High Fantasy." The new warlock is a D&D warlock and not more like Harry Potter because they want to sell you D&D. The same holds for the orc bard.

You are seeing causality where there is none. Winning businesses identify and mitigate their blind spots. More information is always better. I feel genuinely sorry for anyone who thinks the opposite. They almost certainly also regularly consult various religious groups about themes and symbology, because more information is good. I do not feel threatened by this despite my own views on organized religion. If I can change one word and avoid the ire or a boycott from religious group Z, I probably make that change. More-over maybe I learn something new that will help me do cool things later on.