Hasbro

[cornixt]

Shadzar doesn't like that I point out the flaws in some of his complaints (I've intentionally ignored a lot of them). I don't understand how he thinks that anyone is telling him what to do or how Hasbro is controlling his games. Everything is a personal insult to him, entirely negative reactions to everything, I don't think I have seen anything positive from him at all. I think there is more going on here than we can know through internet interactions with him.

I don't even have a horse in this race, I haven't bought the crowdfunded game and don't ever intend to. I don't ever intend to get rid of the paltry proper HQ stuff I own. I just really don't like people spreading misinformation or making huge sweeping declarations based on tiny things, especially when they add weird political overtones to it.

[cynthialee]

I am sorry for my part in this mess. I knew I was poking the bear with a stick and I did it anyways. I was getting heated and it brought out the worst in me.

But I thought it would be the welcoming the orc bard and damn with cannon remark that did it though....

[Davane]

I am sorry for my part in this mess. I knew I was poking the bear with a stick and I did it anyways. I was getting heated and it brought out the worst in me.

But I thought it would be the welcoming the orc bard and damn with cannon remark that did it though....

Actually, it was probably the part where you called him racist...

[cynthialee]

I am sorry for my part in this mess. I knew I was poking the bear with a stick and I did it anyways. I was getting heated and it brought out the worst in me.

But I thought it would be the welcoming the orc bard and damn with cannon remark that did it though....

Actually, it was probably the part where you called him racist...

I never spoke anyone's name. But if the shoe fits.

[Kurgan]

I recently acquired an 11 foot pole in order to return to this thread briefly (as the flames rise and fall) to say that terms like "right" and "left" (even "liberal" and "conservative") mean different things in different countries (and even within societies within those countries). Many other terms commonly being thrown around here lack firm and universally agreed upon definitions, which makes it harder to pin down which label belongs where. Political discussions unfortunately suffer from this vagueness and the use of a lot of slogans and loaded words. Since I don't spend any time on Twitter, people there might as well be speaking a different language. I have a sense of what some of these words mean and I can already see that several people have their own definitions that are different, even the opposite of how I understand them.

So I am embracing ambiguity in the general... some would say that a person's skin color or political party affiliation automatically determines if they are "racist" or not. I disagree with this definition generally (if you're an actual member of the Nazi Party, that's a little harder to argue with). I'm even content to disagree with everyone here, about everything they sincerely believe and be content that we will never agree on these things. Because that doesn't matter to me, really.

Yes, whoever is reading my words right now, I am happy to disagree with your most deeply held religious, economic, social, ideological, philosophical and political beliefs, and still speak with you politely and civilly, recognizing our shared humanity and our shared love of a cool game. If you mind your manners and play by the rules of the game we're both playing, I couldn't care less about those other things anymore than I would care about your gender, race, sexuality or any other individual characteristic (which is to say, not at all). Unless you're a candidate for leader of my worship community or proposing marriage to me, of course, in which case one or two of those things might start to matter to me.

[Pancho]

I am sorry for my part in this mess. I knew I was poking the bear with a stick and I did it anyways. I was getting heated and it brought out the worst in me.

But I thought it would be the welcoming the orc bard and damn with cannon remark that did it though....

Actually, it was probably the part where you called him racist...

I never spoke anyone's name. But if the shoe fits.

This is what I was talking about earlier. You probably can’t refer to a single thing he said that was racist, and yet you call him a racist anyway. He was hysterical and a bit obsessive (a bit SJWey you could say), but didn’t say anything racist. You and thousands of other SJWs have demeaned and abused the term racist for your own sad little reasons and now we are where we are, with this massive cultural mess and nobody trusting a single thing you say. It’s unforgivable and disgusting what the far left have done to a label that should be used more meaningfully.

[Pancho]

Davane, I’m totally not buying your rather strange idea that left wing regimes can’t be authoritarian. Are you seriously suggesting that they all become right wing as soon as they turn nasty?
All I see from leftists is the idea that government can solve everything (right wingers or conservatives believe the market can solve everything), but that often translates into Statism, or worship of the State, and big government always turns on it’s subjects eventually. We could just as easily say that ALL authoritarian regimes are left wing. I’m not saying that by the way, but it’s just as viable as what I think you are saying. I certainly think that there is something “encoded” into left wing thought that creates totalitarianism more readily than right wing thinking.

How the hell we ended up talking about this on a thread entitled “Hasbro” I don’t know. I’m out.

[Kurgan]

I DON'T CARE IF YOU USE THE RIGHT WING OR THE LEFT WING BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING, I PUT TRAPS ALONG BOTH CORRIDORS, HEROIC FOOLS!

[Daedalus]

Funny title, Kurgan. I can't believe Twitter Zargon can be quoted for something that kinda lightens this topic. Score one for Hasbro?

[StratosVX]

Here's the way I read the following just so people are aware why I didn't see anything wrong with cynthialee's post (and maybe I read this wrong):

The Right Wing does not own society. The right wing does not speak for HeroQuest fans. The right wing is doing everything it can to protect the racist systems.

General statement about how cynthialee views the right wing. Not directed at anybody here

You guys crying you see 'woke' in every corner are the ones ruining HeroQuest....Not those of us who see society must change and racism is evil.

Not everybody is a racist therefore not everybody needs to change. And racism is evil.

We fought a civil war over this and the racists lost.

Accusing the 1860's South of being racist.

You don't get a redo, society will change and your grandchildren will be civil people who disdain racists.

"You" being a general you, not a specific "Shadzar" you as the the rest of this section doesn't single out any one person. Also, grandchildren will hate racists.

This is the specific post Shadzar pointed out (even though my comments were about Torilen not calling him/her a racist). The way I read it, I don't see anywhere in here where Shadzar was called a racist. I honestly don't even see where it was insinuated that Shadzar was a racist. What I do read in here is a general disdain for the term racist being thrown at everybody. Why am I bringing this up? Because I believe moderators are fallible. If I am wrong, I have no problems with people being able to say so (although I would appreciate it if it was done so cordially).

Unfortunately, I saw Shadzar's reactions coming, which is why I made the posts about being civil (I believe whitebeard did as well, which is what prompted his posts). Shadzar's comments were far too similar to those of past Inn members. These are the same Inn members that resulted in the "Forum rules" banner that is at the top of these pages, which was also the reason I wanted to address FainFlynn's post asking which rules whitebeard believed were violated.