25th Anniversary version

[wolfie907]

am I blind or something I see no disfigurement on the barbarians face other than some shine from the camera flash?

[Goblin-King]

I sure don't see clear well defined details either...
Maybe it's just a bad pic? Time will tell...

[Thantos]

Its more the fact that there are no details in his face to disfigure Just eye sockets and and vague nose...

[knightkrawler]

You can paint Manga eyes on him and a little dot for a mouth et voilà...

[Thantos]

Like a charm!

[knightkrawler]

See? Who needs any so-called quality miniatures?
This is the future. We don't know when it will be finished and available, but it's the freakin' future. Woo-Hoo!

[Daedalus]

From what I know about the project as a backer:

New spell sets and/or new spells for the four elements?

No new spell sets, but renamed. Three extra spells per set are added in each set for the optional rules of the expanded game. I believe this, and many other option elements, were developed by forum members of the Spanish Hero Quest site.

What about the Wizards Of Morcar spells, are the expansions being used at all, like men-at-arms?

No mention of any previous expansions were mentioned, though the basic game's compatibility with previous Quests seems to be the plan. Apparently, you could play WoM spells and Men-at-arms, but playtesting would be needed to be sure. I'd think there would be more trouble with Men-at-arms, as there isn't an anagolous component in the Spanish HQ. The included Quests may not take them into account.

Same four heroes, new ones?

Same four Heroes, sort of. Male and female versions are planned for the original 4 Heroes, but the Huntress--the female Barbarian--at least will be statted a bit differently. The kickstarter lvls 2-3 come with 15 additional Heroes. Also, a male and female teen adventurer set is planned for the kiddies as an add-on (originally offered as an earlybird perk).

New monsters, all the old ones, ogres?

All the old monsters are included in their same number from the base set. The Gargoyle has a statue and live form. Also included in the base set are a Wraith, an Orc Big Boss, a Tentacles of the Abyss, and an Ogre (another Ogre is part of the add-on below, a second sculp if I recall correctly). Extra monsters can be added on, such as the green pack or undead pack.

Other monsters were added in for the kickstarter and are planned to be made available for purchase seperately, perhaps in an expansion pack. These include + 25 Plastic Resin Miniatures (ogre, 3 spiders, spider queen, captive knight, female prisoner, captive assassin, 2 sleeping goblin guards, 1 goblin leader, 4 servants, vampire, vampiress, 2 stone guardians, 2 stone guardians -actives-, mole troll, Morcar, Zargon and She). + 1 Plastic Resin Great Wyrm (it occupies six board squares). These monsters may also be added on for greater numbers.

Is the story a follow on from the original?

No. She, the Lich, is being used in place of Morcar/Zargon. That's for the expanded game, I believe. If they use the original story, they are treading on IP owned by Hasbro. Whether other IP has been infringed upon may be decided upon in court.

Interlocking changeable board with three dimensional parts and possible to make the original dungeon?

The rooms and corridors from the Spanish HQ are very similar to the original HQ board. Without referencing any Quests, I'd say the biggest issue will be with the two smaller rooms of the upper-right quadrant. Probably just merge them into one somehow--I don't know. The rooms and corridors as individual pieces are being offered as an add-on, so that should become available if the whole ship doesn't sink.

I'm not sure about the three-dimensional parts, but maybe that refers to the resin markers of the base set, including doorways, fallen rock markers, secret doors, traps, and the stairway tile. Also there is a decending secret stair insert for the sarcophagus and a descending ladder that can link to a room on another level.

Is this going to annoy games workshop?

I dunno. They do like to release the lawyers whenever possible. On the other hand, their IP is apparently restricted in regards to Hero Quest. Hasbro relicensed the game to the Brazilian company Estralia after the GW fallout, and that included the original Fimir/Chaos Warrior art and sculpts. Also, those monsters have been renamed and the sculpts will be new. Most likely (in my opinion), GW won't have enough to litigate.

If the answer to any of these is no, why the hell not?

Nice set of questions--this project deserves critical scrutiny. Though you didn't ask, for completeness I should mention there are some other components not mentioned above. Also, if the project clears legal obstacles the game and add-ons will become available online. The plan is to also offer it on store shelves in various countries, but that possibility is less certain. Lots of controversy surrounds the IP of this product.

Edit: Hmm, I get the distinct impression I'm missing some past history going by the posts.

I'd go back and read 'em. This is the biggest thing to hit our hobby since the game was abandoned by Hasbro.

[Gold Bearer]

Cheers. This sounds really good. I hope they make a computer version. Maybe we could get a p-b-p going of it when it's released. Morcar and Zargon? I thought it was the same dude with a different name. I'll read the old thread later on.

[Daedalus]

Well, some of it looks good, while some needs improvement. Time will tell. It will never replace the original for many of us. Read the old threads and you'll see there's a lot of negative spin, mostly due to how they are handling their claims to the IP. There are other reasons, as you will come to find out.

In another thread it was mentioned (by Torilin, if I recall correctly) that it would be best that the Quests published for this shouldn't be made available at the Inn until publication is ended. I don't know how everyone feels about this (esp. since some of us consider it a rip-off), but if memory serves, the idea is to respect what is currently being produced. Whatever the consensus or policy that follows (if it makes it that far), that doesn't mean Quests couldn't be created for PBP. New icons would be needed for some of the components and a new gameboard, as well. That's up to Derfel Link, as he's the man behind Heroscribe.

You're right about Morcar and Zargon being the same dude. I guess I wasn't being clear. The only speculation involved is whether he is Mentor or not...but that is another thread.

[Goblin-King]

Wow wow wow...

First off... They are actually calling chaos warriors "Primordial Chaos Warriors"? For realsies?
And they have something called Drrakks? What's next? Gobliiins? Orrkks?

But that's not really what I came here for.

It seems they are actually making models of Zargon and Morcar (I guess that's what you were going on about above).
Is that really possible? I mean... I guess the specific names aren't trademarked or anything, but this is clearly ripping off the original product!
And why even bother with renaming generic chaos warriors when they steal entire characters?
Might as well throw in actual fimirs at this point.