If I were to make the perfect dungeon board game, I would...

[Goblin-King]

My experience from game making...

* combat tables sucks. Looking attack 4 vs defense 5 up gets tedious. Use simple HQ like mechanic
* Lots of cards for equipment is fun
* Doing bookkeeping and math homework to manage exp is anti-fun
* Levels and power creeping makes it a bitch to balance

That's really my greatest discovery... In the perfect game I would aim to make even the weakest goblin-tier monsters viable during the "end game".
Of course goblins should be easier to kill for champions, but they should never become obsolete.

[Schmidt]

There should be different dice. and should be present at least once on every die, giving the following combinations:
white

red

yellow

green

blue

brown

pink

orange

grey

black

Did I get them all?

[cynthialee]

I have some dice I ordered from Germany that has some faces with 2 skulls and 2 shields. Work great for spice. I occasionally allow the Heroes 1 roll per game session with "The Dice of Greatness" as I like to refer to them to reflect the favor of the gods. {Ragnar be praised} Sometimes they find a weapon that is temporary enchanted and it has X amount of uses of the special dice. I have potions (not cards, in the game notes only) that can be found that if drank allow the imbiber to use the dice for a handful of times.

[torilen]

I helped out a kickstarter for Custom Game Labs...they're making custom game dice.
I plan to order specialty dice similar to that just for HQ. My coloring is different, but
much like those you shown, schmidt.

[mitchiemasha]

In the perfect game I would aim to make even the weakest goblin-tier monsters viable during the "end game".
Of course goblins should be easier to kill for champions, but they should never become obsolete.

That's why MAM for them by default is so much fun. I chased a Goblin who kept getting sly digs in for a good few turns once. All because I got low movement rolls, I was like you lil *lemony goodness*. Now i love em!

Giving each monster a special ability keeps them in good standing as Heroes advance. The EWP needs to learn how to take advantage of the skills just like the Heroes need to learn how to use each other.

[mitchiemasha]

Those modular tiles reduce combinations. I like how the AHQ tiles work, they always fit. The inventory idea, that is great. The armory then would be those tokens. Sitting various things inside would be a mini game initself.

[Anderas]

@Schmidt;

Do you know these?
Several dices for several weapon strengths & abilities apart from "one dice more or less"

http://www.shopping-guru.de/index.php?m ... Path=94_98

The modular tiles can have any form they like. They can overlap each other later, and it is no problem. You could for example change the layout of the main HQ Board by covering rooms with modular tiles.

[Jafazo]

That's really my greatest discovery... In the perfect game I would aim to make even the weakest goblin-tier monsters viable during the "end game".
Of course goblins should be easier to kill for champions, but they should never become obsolete.

I feel that one of Hero Quests greatest qualities was simplicity. If that one element is preserved, your idea stays valid and I'm all for it. I totally agree with you on this statement. I'm reading through all these ideas shaking my head and smiling. I went through practically ALL the ideas listed here when I tinkered around with my Hero Quest game. There's just something special about watching folks run the same race.

Good Gaming folks, I'm enjoying the read

[knightkrawler]

I feel that one of Hero Quests greatest qualities was simplicity. If that one element is preserved, your idea stays valid and I'm all for it. I totally agree with you on this statement. I'm reading through all these ideas shaking my head and smiling. I went through practically ALL the ideas listed here when I tinkered around with my Hero Quest game. There's just something special about watching folks run the same race.

Good Gaming folks, I'm enjoying the read

I also prefer a good read instead of posting anything creative in this thread, because I can't help but think you're all so very close but yet so astray.

[Big Bene]

Those modular tiles reduce combinations. I like how the AHQ tiles work, they always fit.

Let me put an answer to this. Not to rebuff your critic - I know that my concept is all but perfct - but to make my reasons clear so to help us find the perfect synthesis for the "perfect" Dungeoncrawler.
I like the system of AHQ a lot, too, but it also makes the tiles "always fit" by reducing possible combinations. It is based on corridor segments of 5 squares length and rooms of 5 by five squares size. The dungeons are quite uniform. When they grow large they resemble a square pattern of corridors with the rooms set in the fields of this pattern. I thought that my system is both simpler (you only have one size of tiles in a pure square pattern) and more diverse, as every tile can contain anything, from corridors to rooms, to complete labyrinths. Of course I may be totally misleaded here, as it was a quick shot, and I never tried to lay out a test dongeon, not even on paper.

The inventory idea, that is great. The armory then would be those tokens. Sitting various things inside would be a mini game initself.

Thanks a lot.
Thinking about the "perfect" dungeon crawler, the question comes to my mind what are the real strenghs of a dungeon boarde game, what distinguishes it from everyday board games, but also from classic pen-and-paper rpgs. With the latter, they have obviousely much in common, but part of what makes them different and much of what makes their charme, is their "haptic" quality with real figures and furniture. So whatever adds to this "material" experience (of course, you have to keep the right measure here, too) adds to the game.
In this sense, I found the "heroes' base camps" of Dark World a really great idea. You could collect the actual minis of the monsters you slayed as counters for experience /advancement.
The inventory (computer game inspired as it may be) goes in the same direction.