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[Balinor]

for someone that is into symbolism I would've thought you'd know the difference between ' feet and " inches

I do. 11.

Hahaha..

Anyway if you are into Grimtooth's trap books, look up the Grimtooth Dungeon. 101 traps crammed into one dungeon. I think it was written with Tunnels and Trolls in mind for playing but no matter what game you use you would have to create about 20 characters each for 4 or more players and still not make it all the way through.

For a fun trap how about a one way door that closes when you enter a small corridor that is magically dark. The floor is actually a tread mill so the character walks himself to death to find an exit that doesn't exist. This would be very funny for at least ten turns where the character has to roll initiative with the rest of the party just to stay in the same exact spot while thinking he's miles away from the dungeon.

[chaoticprime]

Grimtooth's Dungeons actually came out for AD&D, haha. Quite a few years before T&T.

[Balinor]

Grimtooth's Dungeons actually came out for AD&D, haha. Quite a few years before T&T.

Dungeons and Dragons - original White Box edition original print 1974 published by TSR games. Written by Gary Gygax

Tunnels and Trolls original print 1975 published by Flying Buffalo. Written by Ken St. Andre

Advanced Dungeons and Dragons - Monster Manual original print 1977 published by TSR. Written by Gary Gygax

Advanced Dungeons and Dragons - Player's Handbook original print 1978 published by TSR. Written by Gary Gygax

Advanced Dungeons and Dragons - Dungeon Master's Guide original print 1979 published by TSR. Written by Gary Gygax

Grimmtooth's Dungeon of Doom original print 1992 published by Flying Buffalo. Written by Jim B Peters

Jim B ("Bear") Peters
Grimtooth's Dungeon of Doom
The Complete Dungeon of the Bear - Tunnels and Trolls group adventure.
Catacombs of the Bear Cult - Tunnels and Trolls group adventure.

Grimmtooth's Dungeon of Doom:
Front cover - A complete Dugeon of Traps for any Role-playing system.
Page 78 - Most of the numbers given in this adventure translate directly to T&T. L1, L2, etc are Level 1 or Level 2 saving rolls, based on Luck unless another characteristic is mentioned.
Page 74 - Author's notes - "I have asked some friends to come up with some sample numbers for a couple popular game systems. The AD&D numbers are James L Walker's interpretation of how this adventure would be played under AD&D. The Warhammer numbers are likewise from Claude Watrous III. Since an old family painting of me decorates the cover of the T&T rules, I have provided the Tunnels & Trolls numbers."

So as I will concede that perhaps the Dungeon of Doom is not written entirely for T&T, and I appreciate your need to be argumentative I also would appreciate your fact checking before you contradict a person. My assumption that it was written for T&T is based on publisher, author (who has no D&D credits that I am aware of) and fact that most of the game stats included which are minimal based on a trap heavy, creature light dungeon are written with T&T in mind.

You assumption based on fact of chronological release dates was wildly wrong and without any supporting facts.

Now that I am done busting your balls on something completely insignificant let me say that the post where you don't seem to be arguing for the sake of doing so have been interesting to read and I hope we can become better acquainted on this forum.

[chaoticprime]

I was mistaken. I remember having it when I was into AD&D. Good call.

[Balinor]

I stand corrected as well, I found one credit in AD&D with his name.

In the front page of The Complete Ranger's Handbook for AD&D 2nd he is credited but nothing is noted as to why, just special thanks.

[chaoticprime]

I thought you went from " I think it was written with Tunnels and Trolls in mind" to a patented bibliography on the subject pretty fast. I'm glad that you further educated yourself to prove me wrong, but doing so was still hypocritical of you. We were both talking out of our asses until you got on wikipedia.

[Balinor]

I wansn't talking out of my ass at all. I have a pdf print of the Dungeon of Doom which took me some time to find. But I have print copies of every rule book from D&D, AD&D, AD&D 2nd, and 5th edition Tunnels and Trolls. As an avid RPG player and a fan of both Tunnels and Trolls and Basic(BECMI) Dungeons and Dragons, I was well aware of the time frame for the two games print runs. Also having read the Dungeon of Doom previously I was well aware of its T&T feel and the publisher so I was pretty certain it was written with Tunnels and Trolls in mind but trying to capitalize in other game markets with more popular names, much like other early 80s and 90s game companies such as Judges Guild and Mayfare Games.

It is very Rare that I speak out of my ass, and when I am mostly but not quite sure that is when I will include the statement "I believe" or "if I remember correctly"

It is the fact that I did say I believe based on not reading the book for some time vs your blatant statement that I was wrong due to release dates of the book that had me look it up further to begin with. To be even more honest, if you were somebody else who had made that comment I am not sure if I would have cared enough to look it up, but my past week or so reading this forum I have found myself reading many argumentative post from you and wondering why people even deal with it.

My boss tells me I suffer from a condition of having to prove when I am right. I accept her challenge.

[Balinor]

On a side note, I love to argue and debate. I bet you would be one hell of a fun person to talk politics or religion with

[chaoticprime]

I was reciprocating a ball-busting. I have championed debate before. I was so good in HS, that a local college paid me to be on their team.

[Balinor]

I was reciprocating a ball-busting. I have championed debate before. I was so good in HS, that a local college paid me to be on their team.

That's awesome. There is no doubt that your skills at debating a subject are not lax.

If there is no further debate on the subject then we shall consider this Balinor 1, Chaoticprime 0. Then we shall move forward into what I hope turns out to be a great time discussing games and other fun things with an occasional heated discussion to keep it exciting