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Re: White priming?

Postby Big Bene » Tuesday October 21st, 2014 3:16am

Talking about white primer, I'd like to ask the experienced painters here if they can tell me something about the different brands out there.
Any recommentions?
Which is best and why?

(Personally, I've only used white paint-on primer for most of my minis until now - once I used a can of normal brown spray-paint from the hardware store, which worked remarkably well, but then again, it was on home-cast skeletons with very little detail).
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Re: White priming?

Postby Goblin-King » Tuesday October 21st, 2014 3:20pm

I have experience with GamesWorkshop and Army Painter sprays.

I find GW to apply a bit thinner than AP.
This is a good thing if the mini has hard to reach places.
On the other hand, your run of the mill minis will probably need two layers to cover sufficiently - and needs to dry in between to not turn runny.

AP applies a somewhat thicker layer which grants a better covering in the first go, but is less forgiving about overspraying.
It is the best for easy stuff - say terrain or minis with simple poses.

I find them both good, but prefer GW because of better control due to the thinner layer.

From what I hear around forums, it's not uncommon to use regular no-brand paints.
Some people claim they are just as good for less money? I dunno... I know GW/AP works...
I'll say this though; once you go spray, you'll never go back!
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Re: White priming?

Postby knightkrawler » Tuesday October 21st, 2014 3:38pm

I keep reading and hearing great things about Vallejo's Polyurethane Primers.
Also, Tamiya Grey, which is a bit expensive, and Reaper for brushing on, which isn't recommended, but may be required for some.

I concur with Goblin-King on GW/Citadel and Army Painter.
AP sprays a tad dusty, while Citadel goes on smoother.
I have to add that I've come across quite a few Citadel White Primers (the older dark blue labelled cans with the white cap) that have gone bad and went runny as hell. Hasn't happened to me with any can of black, old or new.
Citadel's Technical Paint Imperial Primer to brush on is utter horsepiss with some glue in it. incredibly expensive, too, even more so than the regular Citadel paints (same price for same amount).

The Citadel black primer is by far the best one I've used so far, but theoretically, nothing should be better than a grey or khaki or other midtone Vallejo Surface Primer applied through the airbrush.
I'd probably use Krylon if I was in the US and still without an airbrush.
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Re: White priming?

Postby bruenor » Friday October 24th, 2014 3:39pm

I only ever use a white or black undercoat when the overall colour is predominantly either white or black.

For all other painting I use grey, gives the best of both worlds, leaves your bright colours bright, but also helps with the shading.

I never ever use GW sprays now, as they are terrible, I had so many bad batches over the years I ended up going back to car primer.
I've had thin runny paint, sticky paint that doesn't dry properly and fuzzy paint thats dried to quickly whilst still spraying, all GW sprays.


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Re: White priming?

Postby artisturn » Friday October 24th, 2014 5:59pm

How are the Tamiya brand primers ?

I was thinking about switching to those due to the fact the GW primer is getting way out of hand price wise, plus the last can of GW primer I bought for 17 dollars was bad and wouldn't even spray. I don't have the receipt anymore plus the hobby store I bought it from is a 60 mile trip one way.

Hobby Lobby sells Tamiya White and Grey primer for 10.99 a can , the can is smaller then the GW primer but Hobby Lobby always has a 40% off coupon that I could use.


I haven't tried contacting GW yet about the primer. I bought it from an independent retailer due to the fact the nearest GW store is over a six hour drive one way. No GW stores in New Mexico the closest one is in Colorado.
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Re: White priming?

Postby chaoticprime » Friday October 24th, 2014 6:26pm

GW primer isn't that good. Hobby model makers don't usually make the best paint, they just try to sell it like it is. Go with a company that makes paint like Krylon or Armor All. Armor All primer makes GW primer look like the overpriced crap that it is. Just don't buy Armory primer by mistake.


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Re: White priming?

Postby knightkrawler » Saturday October 25th, 2014 2:12am

chaoticprime wrote:GW primer isn't that good. Hobby model makers don't usually make the best paint, they just try to sell it like it is. Go with a company that makes paint like Krylon or Armor All. Armor All primer makes GW primer look like the overpriced crap that it is. Just don't buy Armory primer by mistake.


This. Though we don't have Krylon in Europe. But I'm sure there must be an alternative.

artisturn wrote:How are the Tamiya brand primers? I was thinking about switching to those due to the fact the GW primer is getting way out of hand price wise, plus the last can of GW primer I bought for 17 dollars was bad and wouldn't even spray. I don't have the receipt anymore plus the hobby store I bought it from is a 60 mile trip one way.


As you have observed yourself, Tamiya do pretty steep price hikes themselves with their primers. But as far as spray can primers from model manufacturers are concerned, I hear they are the best. Plus, they offer a medium grey which grants you the advantages bruenor (by the way, welcome back, mate!) has cited.
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Re: White priming?

Postby Goblin-King » Saturday October 25th, 2014 4:25am

chaoticprime wrote:GW primer isn't that good. Hobby model makers don't usually make the best paint, they just try to sell it like it is. Go with a company that makes paint like Krylon or Armor All. Armor All primer makes GW primer look like the overpriced crap that it is. Just don't buy Armory primer by mistake.

Chiming in with KK here. This is always the problem in these discussions; Americans suggesting all sort of brands exclusive to America.
Krylon, Armor All, Apple Barrel, Simple Green, Soylent Green... We just don't have those products. At least not in freaking Denmark...

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Re: White priming?

Postby slev » Saturday October 25th, 2014 5:04am

Goblin-King wrote:Chiming in with KK here. This is always the problem in these discussions; Americans suggesting all sort of brands exclusive to America.
Krylon, Armor All, Apple Barrel, Simple Green, Soylent Green... We just don't have those products. At least not in freaking Denmark...

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Re: White priming?

Postby Big Bene » Saturday October 25th, 2014 8:05am

First a big thanx to all of you who contributed your experise. As I suspected there's more to this matter than meets the eye at first glance - and I'm not so rich I'd like to learn it all by try and error.
It seems to boil down to Armor All.
I'll ask my local retailer if he can somehow get it, but if not, I'm thinking if we can take things in our own hands, one of you American members buying some cans and send them to one of us here in the old world, who can in turn distribute them to everyone who is interested here.
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