Heroquest remake by Hasbro - The BIG discussion thread

[Credulous]

Did anyone who was refreshing the page regularly in the final hours see a big jump that indicated the final international numbers had been added?

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Apparently, the overseas figures were already added in. Check this BGG link.

As much as they said that. Zavi was still taking orders at midnight last night.

I was able to add to basket and begin the checkout process late last night. I didn’t continue as had already pledged mythic tier. So unless Zavvi are paying for their ‘future’ inventory from hasbro in batches upfront (which isn’t impossible), I think there may be more to come....

Here’s hoping anyway.

[Orc26]

Anyone else seeing the total on the pulse page keep going down over time?

[elvyler]

I did notice that. My guess is people cancelling their order. Better have a good reason...

[Oftkilted]

Anyone else seeing the total on the pulse page keep going down over time?

Anyone whose credit card fails an attempt to process could be having their purchase removed.

[elvyler]

Anyone else seeing the total on the pulse page keep going down over time?

Anyone whose credit card fails an attempt to process could be having their purchase removed.

Shouldn't be removed that soon. Hasbro sent an email today saying that if payment failed they would send an email to update payment information.

[Kurgan]

Originally I was skeptical we'd even reach the $2 million. But then people were saying $3 million for like a reaper kickstarter was no big deal, routine even.

As for people cancelling their orders, I think I mentioned that too way back when. There could be a lot of reasons you'd need $140-$190 in the next year. Times are tough. Of course why are you bidding on something like this in the first place? Then who knows. The (NA & EU) rules explicitly state your pledge doesn't turn into a purchase until the fundraiser ended (11:59 pm Eastern 11/6). So the rest are committed. Sell it on Ebay if you want, but please don't be a scalper!

And when the product comes out (NEXT YEAR) you still get 90 days from the time the product arrives on your front step to return it for a refund (IF you don't open it!). I read the fine print. Once you open it, it's yours, unless you find a defect (what counts as a defect? Probably not that you think the rule changes stink or disagree with a design choice, like if something that was said to be included is missing or broken).

Everybody who is suffering from FOMO, don't worry. Remember, the whole one of this thing wasn't "this is your one and only chance to get a remake of Hero Quest!" Rather it was "here's a product we're releasing next year IF we get it funded." So fourth quarter 2021 they will be sending these out, but we can expect them to continue to be sold (minus the exclusives, which I presume are the "unlocks" and "limited time only" figures). The "Pulse Bonuses" imply they'll be available through the website. But eventually, unless they're complete idiots, they would be selling at least the Remake Game system (if not also the remake expansions) in fancy Hobby Game shops. And if they're actually smart, they'd be selling it all at mainstream retailers too, eventually. Don't tell me Walmart, Target, etc. are going to be bankrupt by then and you can only ever buy stuff online. Hmm, let's see, game night is coming up, should we buy more minecraft and fortnite crap, maybe another edition of monopoly and risk, or how about this Hero Quest thing, what is it? (studies box) "Hmm, looks like 60-120 minute Dungeon then..."


Now then, you pretty much know what the designs look like, get crackin' mod makers!

[elvyler]

Originally I was skeptical we'd even reach the $2 million. But then people were saying $3 million for like a reaper kickstarter was no big deal, routine even.

As for people cancelling their orders, I think I mentioned that too way back when. There could be a lot of reasons you'd need $140-$190 in the next year. Times are tough. Of course why are you bidding on something like this in the first place? Then who knows. The (NA & EU) rules explicitly state your pledge doesn't turn into a purchase until the fundraiser ended (11:59 pm Eastern 11/6). So the rest are committed. Sell it on Ebay, just don't be a scalper!

And when the product comes out (NEXT YEAR) you still get 90 days from the time the product arrives on your front step to return it for a refund (IF you don't open it!). I read the fine print. Once you open it, it's yours, unless you find a defect (what counts as a defect? Probably not that you think the rule changes stink or disagree with a design choice, like if something that was said to be included is missing or broken).

Now then, you pretty much know what the designs look like, get crackin' mod makers!

Remind me in a year and I'll take pictures of the contents and paraphrase the rules so that everyone can be sure they want to keep it before they open it.

I know, even if the new rules suck or everything is terrible quality, there's no way nostalgia will allow me to get rid of it.

[Blayze]

Times like these, I wish I was one of those ultra-rich people who could afford to drop millions on whatever I wanted and not even think about it; I'd have made a game of seeing how many extra stretch goals I could coax out of Hasbro by pledging a million every time they extended by that much.

[Kurgan]

Here's the thing... if the new rules are stupid, I can toss that fancy covered, glossy paged, calligraphy rulebook on the ground and pick up the classic rule book. This isn't a video game where I'd have to reprogram it to make my house rules work. I'm sure EU players will be doing that anyway. Or I can keep the pretty cover and print some new pages and insert those instead.

The size of the squares slightly increased. But other than the aesthetic of the artwork, its only text. We can print our own cards or substitute.

If it were mine, the first thing I'd do, taking what was said in the scripted Q&A literally... take the new "Equipment" cards and toss some of them into the Treasure deck. Holy water isn't a piece of equipment, it's more like an artifact (It functions like no other potion, being a substitute for an attack, rather than an action-less bonus). Potion of Speed is a flat out potion, sure, buying it makes a bit of sense alongside the other Alchemist Shop items. But it belongs in the Treasure deck, as a piece of EU treasure. So there's an easy change right there. Sure, players will be drawing cards and see an "equipment" cardback on top and go "oooh, it has to be one of those good cards, I better be sure to search this time."

So I print out a copy of the treasure back to sleeve with those particular cards (or just hide the deck behind the game screen) and this won't happen.

I think the Bard works better as a Cleric (I already even have reaper minis of Orc War-priests, Orc-Sorcerers and Orc Shamans from Reaper Bones, sure they're "smaller" but who says every Orc has to be six feet tall with a body builder physique... look at the muscularity!), so that means re-doing the cards for that one. I already have my cleric cards I house ruled from Classic Hero Quest. The minis can stand in for whatever I want them to, just like the Chaos Warlock did in the Classic game and countless Chaos Warriors and Notched Sword Orcs did. If I owned it and really cared about style, I might dig into the WizKidz catalogue looking for something of a similar design aesthetic for what I was looking for, even before I dug out the green stuff or the resin 3d printer (no, I don't own one, but I know where to get them done).

Same thing with Ranger (to replace the Warlock), and I have Ethica's Forest Spell deck printed for the "Druid" to use. So the cards these characters came with can be set aside and ignored (or made into spell colleges that can be chosen by the Elf or Wizard much like the Wizards of Morcar spell categories). The Wand and the Rapier may be "new weapons" but anyone can have them. If there's no card, no problem, no card is needed, the card is just a fun thing to have when you first get it, or if you're one of those players who happens to want a card sitting in your pile to remind you. The real thing is you writing it in pencil on your character sheet so you know how many dice to roll.

Is modding games wrong? Not to us! The original sets encouraged you to paint the figures (though many of us never did) and make your own quests. That isn't changing. But let's say you didn't like that the heroes were red. Make them blue. Make them silver. The power is yours, Captain Planet!

I already freely mix and match rules. Players are going to know from the start what we're doing, if it were me and my gaming sessions. I'm sure other players will do as well. Unless Hasbro hosts "official HeroQuest tournaments" (with real fabulous prizes) and insist upon strict rule lawyering of the new instructions and cards-as-written, who is to know, or care? And those of us who really do care that it "ought to be printed" we'll print our own booklets and re-do the cards until they reflect the fantasy reality we're playing with on our tables. Amen.

[Kurgan]

What size are those new cards? Did they measure the NA cards (which are a mm taller than US game card size)?

And if they're not US Game Card size, I wonder what it is... Trading Card Game (TCG) size? Poker or Bridge size? Maybe they're going the "big" route and making the Trump size?

Are the digital pictures on the website to scale with the final products? We could figure it out that way perhaps... then again maybe not. If those are to scale, these are tiny cards. But we know the Hero character cards are supposed to be the same size as the others. Maybe this deserves its own thread?

I think Hasbro now should provide info to the public about the details of this game. We want to know what's in the box, not just generally, but down to the minutia! After all, the main audience is consisting largely of nostalgic fans, who want to know (and many who want to mod it... not to threaten Hasbro's profits or property in any way, but to make an awesome game even better, to quote Phoenix's sentiment)!

I thought production would begin the second they reached $1 million. I don't know if that's really the case. But we've seen recent videos on youtube proving that some of the objects actually exist (plastic dice, the dwarf figure fully painted, etc). "Actual product may vary" obviously. The original classic Hero Quest miniatures were depicted with round bases. The doors looked different. The dice had different detailing. The text on some of the cards were different and they were in color (see the infamous commercials). Artwork and styling varied somewhat in the early ads. But what we got was set in stone for three decades. It will be the same here and we've seen things like the Druid evolve almost in real-time. Hasbro was open about "play testing" some of the items, but only certain ones. Others remain mysterious.

Now that all is said and done I do actually feel a lot more positive about this project.

In the beginning I has quite skeptical (that it would be funded in time, much less that it would reach $3.7 million!). Many things I thought were bad, have been corrected: its now available to a lot more people (especially to the Brits!), the miniatures will be color coded like the classics. The unlocks can be safely ignored without hurting anything (they were going to be a risk anyway, creating new "official" content for a 30+ year old favorite). It looks to be 95-97% the game I know and love, just with a few things added in (some Equipment from the EU, a few new quests that may or may not capture the spirit of the old series). Many questions remain, but many "fears" I had for the project have been allayed. I figure as a community we can "work with" this, and many may choose never to even touch the new set, and that's fine.

Along the way I've seen and heard both sides on many issues, and I can say some things about the Remake I like, some things I don't, and some I'm indifferent about. But Modding can smooth over a lot of those rough edges. If you're one of those folks who wants to wait until you have more info before committing, I don't blame you. I was there myself. I admit here, before all, and now, that I did order a copy. Yes, I bought it, with only a few hours to go. Am I a chump? No. I got as much info as I could in order to decide if it was worth it. In my mind I am thinking that actually I'm going to give it as a gift (just in time for Christmas 2021). By then, Heaven help us, the pandemic will not be so bad, and we can start live gaming again (here's hoping!). I have purchased copies of Classic Hero Quest for family and friends, creating our own little community here, and it will find a good home. That is unless it turns out to be better than reported, then I could see myself hanging onto it and simply recommending it. I can always share with the gift recipient "oh remember that game I got you, here's some cool expansion materials that might make it even more fun... see what you think!"