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How do you handle Fear vs Courage

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Re: How do you handle Fear vs Courage

Postby knightkrawler » Friday June 30th, 2017 3:22am

The Admiral's argument was that, based on a regular hero attack of 3 attack dice
First Fear, then Courage = you attack with 3 attack dice
First Courage, then Fear = you attack with 3 attack dice, for some reason that I really really don't understand...

My argument was that the result may be different depending on the order.
First Courage, then Fear = you attack with 1 attack die
First Fear, then Courage= you attack with 3 attack dice

Fundamentally different views on how card effects are handled.
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Re: How do you handle Fear vs Courage

Postby Decipher » Friday June 30th, 2017 3:54am

knightkrawler wrote:The Admiral's argument was that, based on a regular hero attack of 3 attack dice
First Fear, then Courage = you attack with 3 attack dice
First Courage, then Fear = you attack with 3 attack dice, for some reason that I really really don't understand...

My argument was that the result may be different depending on the order.
First Courage, then Fear = you attack with 1 attack die
First Fear, then Courage= you attack with 3 attack dice

Fundamentally different views on how card effects are handled.


Yeah, your conclusion is exactly how I would make the play if the situation arises. As far as The Admiral being right too, I meant from that one statement of his I quoted, he is right, which in turn for that one statement, is exactly what you are saying. I always use the rule, play every card type in HQ exactly how the texts reads, of course with the effects of stacking. I think at times, it is easy to overthink some things in HQ. The rules are at times vague and too simple but in all my years, I've never had a situation come up where I could not resolve by consulting the rules or playing the cards exactly how they are written.


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Re: How do you handle Fear vs Courage

Postby slev » Thursday July 12th, 2018 4:23pm

I'm with KK on the order being relevent.

If the order where not relevant, we'd go back to secondary school, and remember "BODMAS" from maths class!


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Re: How do you handle Fear vs Courage

Postby Stoner81 » Thursday July 12th, 2018 8:39pm

I deal with spell effects as they are cast so the order matters greatly.

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Re: How do you handle Fear vs Courage

Postby Big Bene » Friday July 13th, 2018 12:30pm

I would agree that, strictly by the rules, KK is right and the spells stack in order of casting.
However, I can also understand the reasoning behind the Admiral's version.
knightkrawler wrote: for some reason that I really really don't understand...

Well, I don't believe you that one.

The Admiral just reasons that:
- spells stay in effect until the end as defined in the spell text, and
- stack "as is", i.e. at a given time you have a number of spells in effect, and all these spells stack, in the form they are at the time, in no particular order.
So, if you get First Courage, then Fear, as long as Courage hasn't ended (by seeing no monster), both spells are in effect and their effects stack as a "1" and a "plus 2".

I still think that the rules support the consecutive handling of the effects, so I'm with KK here, but I still can see the logic behind the other version.

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Re: How do you handle Fear vs Courage

Postby Stoner81 » Friday July 20th, 2018 7:57pm

Correct me if I am wrong but I swear that somewhere there was a thing stating this clarification that spells are dealt with in the order they are cast. I am sure it was in a magazine or some other publication I just can't recall where it was.

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Re: How do you handle Fear vs Courage

Postby knightkrawler » Friday July 20th, 2018 8:01pm

I don't think it needs to be clarified as it is common sense. It is simply how to play any game that uses cards like this.
You play a card, apply its effect. Another card is played, its effects applied. No need for clarification.
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