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Elf spell questions

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Re: Elf spell questions

Postby wallydubbs » Friday November 9th, 2018 11:56am

Lol, it seems pretty straight forward that the hero gets to take another turn immediately after his last, I don't see why it has to be picked apart like this.
But the rules of hero quest allow Zargon (Morcar) to play it whichever way he sees fit. So if you want to read into another way that is your prerogative.
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Re: Elf spell questions

Postby The Admiral » Friday November 9th, 2018 3:10pm

wallydubbs wrote:Lol, it seems pretty straight forward that the hero gets to take another turn immediately after his last, I don't see why it has to be picked apart like this.
But the rules of hero quest allow Zargon (Morcar) to play it whichever way he sees fit. So if you want to read into another way that is your prerogative.


I think the issue for me is "immediately after his current turn". Does 'his' refer to the caster, or the Hero on who the spell has been cast? In the former the Hero takes the extra turn after the Elf's turn. In the latter it's taken after the Hero's turn on who the spell was cast. I interpret it as the former. So when the Elf has finished his turn, time stops and the Hero on who the spell was cast takes a free turn. If asking which way people go is 'picking it apart' then I stand as guilty :geek:
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Re: Elf spell questions

Postby wallydubbs » Friday November 9th, 2018 3:28pm

The Admiral wrote:I think the issue for me is "immediately after his current turn". Does 'his' refer to the caster, or the Hero on who the spell has been cast? In the former the Hero takes the extra turn after the Elf's turn. In the latter it's taken after the Hero's turn on who the spell was cast. I interpret it as the former. So when the Elf has finished his turn, time stops and the Hero on who the spell was cast takes a free turn. If asking which way people go is 'picking it apart' then I stand as guilty :geek:

Perhaps "picking apart" was a bit strong, but that was more so in regard to Maurice, Knightcrawler and myself are determining what we find grammatically correct, when the game, in fact, was not put together so specifically.
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Re: Elf spell questions

Postby The Admiral » Friday November 9th, 2018 6:44pm

wallydubbs wrote: determining what we find grammatically correct, when the game, in fact, was not put together so specifically.

And therein lies a lot of the problems. The rules and cards are just not tight.
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Re: Elf spell questions

Postby wallydubbs » Saturday November 10th, 2018 1:03am

The Admiral wrote:
wallydubbs wrote: determining what we find grammatically correct, when the game, in fact, was not put together so specifically.

And therein lies a lot of the problems. The rules and cards are just not tight.

Exactly why Zargon gets the final say.
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Re: Elf spell questions

Postby Maurice76 » Sunday November 11th, 2018 6:00pm

wallydubbs wrote:Perhaps "picking apart" was a bit strong, but that was more so in regard to Maurice, Knightcrawler and myself are determining what we find grammatically correct, when the game, in fact, was not put together so specifically.


In all honesty, I am looking at stuff like that mostly from a pragmatical point of view :P. I try to reason the logic behind the rules and then extrapolate that logic into the areas where ambiguity exists, to find a satisfactory solution.


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Re: Elf spell questions

Postby wallydubbs » Monday November 12th, 2018 8:14am

Maurice76 wrote:In all honesty, I am looking at stuff like that mostly from a pragmatical point of view :P. I try to reason the logic behind the rules and then extrapolate that logic into the areas where ambiguity exists, to find a satisfactory solution.

Well generally I'm guilty of that too. I've been trying to find logic in why the spells Invisibility and Disappearance shouldn't encapsulate the powers of Veil of Mist as all 3 limit a monster's vision of the hero.
However, in this case I feel if the card meant that the hero could take another turn immediately after the Spell caster it would say so. In this case, a quick read shows that the first sentence refers to the Spell caster while the 2nd sentence refers to the hero under the effects of the spell.
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