PROPHECY OF TELOR discussion

[Kurgan]

One of the White Dwarf magazine quests had a Troll in it... perhaps they got Carl Sargent to sign off on "The Eyes of Chaos" (1991)?

Anyway, really glad to see that we'll be getting this great quest re-released and shared with the world. Scalpers are going to be mad!!!

I'm sure they'll fix up the typos, and maybe they could toss in Rogar's Hall and print off those extra artifacts into cards? Prophecy of Telor doesn't really have much extra beyond what is in the game system box (though I hear tell that the newest retail release might have nixed some of those bonus artifacts, so here would be another way to re-sell those).

[HispaZargon]

I would bet that probably it will also include new tiles, which would mean a new version of the questbook maps including the new tiles positions.

AmalgamAsh member suggested on his YouTube channel that maybe one of the three new Heroes (Druid, Warlock and Bard) could be also included. I guess it would be in the opposite gender than in Mythic Tier box.

This reminds me our discussion weeks ago about that Spirit Queens Torment also included a female orc ally... who could be also a Bard.

Nevertheless, Mythic Tier box already included tiles and cards for The Crypt of Perpetual Darkness, so maybe this quest pack would be differently treated than the other two. We will see...

[Kurgan]

There is that single large room tile they could include I suppose...

[j_dean80]

If this new release is slightly different than the Mythic release, that’s kind of cruddy for people who already have it. So what, we have to have 2 copies of the same Pack?

[Kurgan]

At a surface level I would say "yeah, why buy two copies?" But this isn't like a DVD-double dip (where the bare bones release comes out and then later they release it again with bonus features). Even if it were Prophecy of Telor + Rogar's Hall, it's not that anyone would be forced to buy it (Rogar's Hall is still online, anyone can print it for free). The typos are for Zargon's eyes only... the players never see them, so it's more a quality of life improvement than a rehash that everyone would "need" to run out and get if they already had the Pledge version (unless you just wanted to support the franchise with your dollars instead of lining the pockets of another scalper of course).

I don't see the downside in this case. If it's the same, you don't have to buy a second copy. (then again superfan collectors do this all the time... a copy to "collect" and one to "play with").
I support the re-release of all the Mythic exclusives, just as I do the Guardian Knight. I didn't buy any of this stuff with the assumption I was investing in a once in a lifetime collectible (even so, no amount of re-releases diminish the actual rarity of the pledge stuff... they are still completely unique... value of this stuff is based on demand and perceived rarity yes, but a reprint is not the same thing as the original, is it, even if the only physical difference is the date stamp or serial number). Many more players can have the chance to play these quests with a retail version than ever could from the Mythic set that came out 16 months ago.

At the very least I'd expect it to have typos fixed, are you saying you wouldn't buy that? (that's for Zargon, the players don't see that stuff because the GM will autocorrect as he plays, though it is certainly nicer if he doesn't have to do that extra oversight... the quest pack was written for experienced Zargons anyway).

Regarding what new Assets could be included with Prophecy of Telor, I posted here awhile back. If they wanted to include some new cards (some of these were in the Mythic box and some never had actual cards): (Spoilers!)

Talisman of Lore & Elixir of Life (from the game system, but they could include alternate artwork I suppose)
Rod of Telekinesis & Ring of Fortitude (IF it is no longer being included with Game System boxes)
Spell Scrolls: Rock Skin, Heal Body (these were part of Kellar's Keep and Return of the Witch Lord, no reason why these would be left out, since not everyone would own everything)
Spell Scrolls: Lightning Bolt & Water of Healing (no cards existed)

Spell Scrolls including Tempest (KK), Ball of Flame (KK/ROTWL), Courage (KK/ROTWL), Fire of Wrath (KK/ROTWL), Sleep (KK) and Genie (KK) are mentioned
in the closing "Artifact Reference" but I'm not sure where you would find or use them in the quest. Presumably you'd use the "Dread" spell deck at various times.

Alchemist Shop: Potion of Restoration and Potion of Battle (previously from KK/ROTWL), and Potion of Healing and Potion of Magic (previously had no cards).

So 10-18 cards?

Minis of some of the Dread Sorcerer encounters for this quest? If all this were in a box by itself it would be one of the smaller packs, which I don't object to, but I know there are fans concerned that "nobody" will want to buy something that isn't on par with the Frozen Horror or Mage of the Mirror boxes in terms of content. Then again the Guardian Knight and Rogue Heir were massively successful and popular, despite being just a couple of minis and a few cards in a box.

There is that one Quest where you're given a large room that could have a new room tile to go with it.

[j_dean80]

I’m not saying that I’m against Mythic exclusives being reprinted and sold. I’m saying, if they add more to it then the original, then that kind of stinks for those who already have it. We would have to buy a second copy just to get access to the new stuff. It would be better if they released it the same as the original and just bring the price point down to match the size of the Pack. If they want to introduce new stuff then that should be in a new Quest Pack.

[Kurgan]

I think this is kind of the "best" of the Mythic quest content, so it's a good test case for the others as well.

[QorDaq]

Personally, I'd prefer the retail set(s) be enhanced over the original Mythic content. Tiles, Minis, etc. yes please.

I feel like as a "Collector" I've got the Mythic version, but if we can get one that is improved, I'm all for it. Fortunately, no one is making anyone buy the product twice if they don't want to. But I do understand the FOMO aspect could "Force" some to buy in if the retail versions are "More complete." So I get that perspective, I'd just prefer AH makes the effort if they're going so far as to put it in a box. Otherwise, they could just sell the PDF frankly.

[Karningul]

The worst-case scenario would be if it was identical to Mythic content with like one or two additions. Then anyone who already had the Mythic base game would feel like they needed to spend full retail price to get the new stuff when most of the contents of the box would be stuff they already own.

But I'm going to assume that Avalon Hill knows that, and that if they're making that quest into a full-fledged 'Quest Pack,' that there will be enough cool new stuff in the box to make the idea of purchasing it an exciting one.

[LucaRocks]

Personally, I don't mind them releasing the MYthic stuff to the general public. However, Hasbro is the king of reuse. I fear that every last thing we already have will be released at some point to stretch the profit margin. I'm more into the action figure side of Hasbro, so I may be wrong about the gaming aspect of things. But I'm sure that some Hasbro exec walks into the monthly meeting asking what they could reuse next lol.

Also I think this boads ill for the release schedule. Again, Hasbro may be asking for more release throughout the year which will cut into our wallets that much harder. We still haven't heard of another character expansion, have we? PoT may be taking it's place. But if they do RotDM, Pot, Character pack, another new expansion etc... There is going to be a lot more spending on our part.

Finally, I have to say that I am skipping the Mythic stuff with my group because it feels ust so out of continuity with the rest of the expansions. The Barbarian is already throwing 4 attack and 6 defend... KK seems like a more logic choice to ramp up the challenge than PoT or SQT. I hope PoT gets retooled to be more challenging. I doubt it but I can only hope for some tough new monsters to make it more difficult.

And on side note... I am really starting to get the feeling that AH is flying by the seat of the pants a little bit. I have no issues with them so far and think they are doing a very good job. But some things make me question if they have a real long term plan here. Again, I feel really positive about them but these are just some things I'm noticing. They could be adjusting since Heroscape got cancelled though so there is that possibility.