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Re: Avalon Hill HeroQuest posting restrictions

Postby Shadzar » Thursday November 4th, 2021 7:48am

BardicBroadcasts wrote:What's the best thing about HeroQuest?
Shadzar wrote:Watching the mods and admins on Ye Olde Inn fight with each other. :lol:


and who cares about Zuckerturd and his Meta.... people on that website have as much sense as people on Twitter. Both you will find trying to pirate everything, and with the TROVE taken down, they are all crying because they can't get their free D&D books for 5e anymore and will have to quit playing or actually go buy the books to understand what Critical Role is doing. :lol:

To those that don't understand, the unboxings are planned as videos, with still images inside the video of things like board dimensions, card dimensions, mini dimensions, and all the other specifics. nobody is going to be passing around STLs of the minis or PDFs that was doing an unboxing. :roll:

the only file should be a copy of the blank quest map and icons from each quest book in B&W so it can be printed or copied, unlike the colored background they foolishly choose to include on those pages of the quest books.

That is the files Ye Olde Inn needs to decide on if they will or will not provide if HASBRO fails to do so, and whether those files are worth hosting since the quest books in full color background will be damned near impossible for most people to get a decent copy to make their own quests if they can't find HeroScribe or figure out how to use it.and you can't play the game with blank quest books, so the only real problem since blank boards exist already is the icons for Abomination, Dragon and any other monster not previously existing, which may fall under rules for existing monster icons here... or be a new rule about. That is the only needed file for players of the game, and it wont allow for playing the game at all. (Icons are copyright art... I am not a lawyer)
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Re: Avalon Hill HeroQuest posting restrictions

Postby StratosVX » Thursday November 4th, 2021 8:52am

Shadzar wrote:
BardicBroadcasts wrote:What's the best thing about HeroQuest?
Shadzar wrote:Watching the mods and admins on Ye Olde Inn fight with each other. :lol:


We are actually all on the same page. Fights tend to occur when members who are not responsible for hosting the site nor the legal ramifications that come with that decide they should be able to dictate the rules for said site.

Shadzar wrote:the only file should be a copy of the blank quest map and icons from each quest book in B&W so it can be printed or copied, unlike the colored background they foolishly choose to include on those pages of the quest books.

That is the files Ye Olde Inn needs to decide on if they will or will not provide if HASBRO fails to do so, and whether those files are worth hosting since the quest books in full color background will be damned near impossible for most people to get a decent copy to make their own quests if they can't find HeroScribe or figure out how to use it.and you can't play the game with blank quest books, so the only real problem since blank boards exist already is the icons for Abomination, Dragon and any other monster not previously existing, which may fall under rules for existing monster icons here... or be a new rule about. That is the only needed file for players of the game, and it wont allow for playing the game at all. (Icons are copyright art... I am not a lawyer)


By your own linked image of the board, the layout has not changed. As the layout has not changed and there is already a version of the Adventure Design Kit that is readily available on the site which contains a B&W copy of the blank board, then there is no reason for the Inn to host anything else.


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Re: Avalon Hill HeroQuest posting restrictions

Postby Kurgan » Thursday November 4th, 2021 8:56am

With the first unboxing video posted (by a lucky stiff who got it before me, I'm not bitter, lol) linked in the unboxing thread and the big discussion thread now, we can see what they will be like. No files violating the rules. |_P


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Re: Avalon Hill HeroQuest posting restrictions

Postby StratosVX » Thursday November 4th, 2021 5:27pm

You can still do an unboxing if you want. Posting an unboxing video is not the same as posting files. I don't expect you would be doing a shady unboxing video where you are doing closeups on the tiles and holding still so people can do frame grabs and what-not. It sucks that someone beat you to it though. Still, you could be the first one at the Inn!


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Re: Avalon Hill HeroQuest posting restrictions

Postby iKarith » Thursday November 4th, 2021 5:56pm

cynthialee wrote:any move against this site would be a little myopic on Hasbro's part


cynthialee wrote:They piss off the fan base by taking down their fan sites...it is not a good way to sell expansion packs.


It would. Which is why I think as long as we're careful with not giving the new edition the "here are scans of everything" treatment, they'll likely be inclined to leave us alone. Like I said, my layman's view (I have had some intellectual property law experience, but I'm not a lawyer) is we're near the edge with Trademark stuff, but not over it. They can leave us alone regarding Copyright stuff … and they probably will continue to do so.

I think we'll be fine with screen-resolution stuff and resamples of old tiles that fit a 25mm board, that kind of thing. We might also be okay with new quests from the mythic tier ported to play with the old edition game system. Hasbro's been pretty lax about such things—unless that changes, we'll be fine.


Kurgan wrote:So at that point if I post an (in theory) "naughty" review that gets pulled, guess what I'm going to do? I didn't blow my only chance... and I didn't just toss the game into a wood chipper, and then load the pieces into the fireplace. Instead, I just pick the game and the camera back up again and film a "proper" review that meets the exacting community standards. Problem solved!


I don't think you're capable of posting a video review that would seriously upset Hasbro, even if you literally showed every page in a manner that people could pause the video and read everything, at 4k resolution. (Looking forward to that when someone does it…) We just can't post 300 DPI scans on YeOldeInn for download. That's really it. Y'all are making a MUCH bigger deal out of this than it needs to be.


StratosVX wrote:This should simplify things: posting a paragraph of the rules that you wish to discuss does not provide a file that someone can download to avoid paying for the game. Posting a file does. That file does not allow someone to play the game for free, but it is one more thing that people can have toward a collection that allows them to circumvent buying the game.


I'll do you one better: You could literally take the North American rules and the 2021 rules and actually post the textual changes between them, also any substantive differences in the diagrams that could be constituted as rules changes. For example, if they change rules related to line of sight and include new diagrams, you could probably post attachments of the new diagrams to show how they're different.

Just don't directly post any 300 DPI scans to the forum. (And if you send them in PMs, don't tell people what you sent and to whom please. If they learn people are trading high res scans of their new product, Hasbro's likely to feel they kinda have to stop that. If they do, it'll make the Inn less awesome. So don't antagonize the multinational toy conglomerate. If that's too big an ask (for some of you I know it is), please do the Inn a favor and antagonize in any of the myriad other ways that don't involve public posts their new edition game.

This ain't rocket surgery, folks.


StratosVX wrote:The Facebook group already had people hoping we would post the materials so that they wouldn't have to buy the game, so yes we can take money from their pockets.


Truly, that's so dumb! It would've cost you less to buy the mythic tier Pulse than to print the files for the base game that we've already got. And that's before you supply any minis. Even if you got those for free, your best bet is still to buy the game even at the likely somewhat higher retail price when it launches next year.


StratosVX wrote:By your own linked image of the board, the layout has not changed. As the layout has not changed and there is already a version of the Adventure Design Kit that is readily available on the site which contains a B&W copy of the blank board, then there is no reason for the Inn to host anything else.


We (community, not always the Inn in particular) have in the past had icons and whatnot for the different editions for use in quest-making for tools like HeroScribe. Don't see any reason why we can't make new ones for the 2021 edition. Literally, it's just the files that are the problem. But otherwise if in doubt … link it rather than posting it directly. You kinda should be doing that for images anyway, since images tend to get purged automagically after awhile if they aren't explicitly marked "don't delete this" by a moderator. (For what it's worth, I'm not a moderator and have no control over that. I'm just a web monkey with a silly hat.)
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Re: Avalon Hill HeroQuest posting restrictions

Postby torilen » Thursday November 4th, 2021 6:48pm

Thank you for this post! I was hoping someone would say it at some point.

I don't even plan to post links to anything I "might happen to find" elsewhere.

As for me personally - the only interest I've ever had in anything new is new quest packs. It would be nice if they
had a way of getting those without buying the whole game. I have more than enough tiles to play with for years
and years...tiles from artists I talk to and know personally, tiles whose art I like very much and would rather just
keep using those. I also have more than enough of my own HQ material in the form of magic spells and cards and
treasure and such, that I really have no need for commercially published products.

Anyhow - those are my thoughts. Maybe I'll get luck and run across the questpacks somewhere, or I'll find a way
to buy them for a good price somewhere. If not, I'll live. If I do find them, that will be my secret alone, as I try to
honor copyright for new products (15-20yo or younger, in my opinion).


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Re: Avalon Hill HeroQuest posting restrictions

Postby iKarith » Friday November 5th, 2021 5:25am

Main problem with mixing new and old is that new stuff is going to be at 25mm board scale, and if there are cards that go into existing decks (like the treasure deck), the card backs are different at least. I wouldn't be shocked if the cards are not the same size as the North American 1990 release either.

These are problems we will solve. But as the game is still being rolled out, it may be some amount of time before we begin to work out the best ways to do that without ruffling any feathers.
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Re: Avalon Hill HeroQuest posting restrictions

Postby Kurgan » Friday November 5th, 2021 12:32pm

I haven't yet seen anyone post exact measurements, but those cards look almost like standard poker size cards to me, wider on the sides. I could be wrong of course that's just the impression I have gotten thus far.


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Re: Avalon Hill HeroQuest posting restrictions

Postby Shadzar » Saturday November 6th, 2021 7:20pm

iKarith wrote:Main problem with mixing new and old is that new stuff is going to be at 25mm board scale, and if there are cards that go into existing decks (like the treasure deck), the card backs are different at least. I wouldn't be shocked if the cards are not the same size as the North American 1990 release either.

These are problems we will solve. But as the game is still being rolled out, it may be some amount of time before we begin to work out the best ways to do that without ruffling any feathers.



after recent video there is going to need to be new areas for people that make new things for th new release.

nt sure it that means new forums, or new area of the website. you probably be easiest to make an archive of the archive for the original game, and for new things that use the new sizes like cards, tiles, etc a seciton to move forward with.

I know the site is an archive already, ut as new people filter in from Youtube videos of the new game, and try to print older material with the new game, it aint going to work. I dont expect all old material artists to upgrade their tiles to the new scale, nor anyone managing the site to do so either for the legacy scale of the original game.

but that is jsut how i would do it for simplicity in both custom material and hew material on the website prper and forums.
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Re: Avalon Hill HeroQuest posting restrictions

Postby Kurgan » Saturday November 6th, 2021 8:48pm

Cosmic Tavern wrote:I have a pack of GameGenic Standard Card Game prime sleeves and they fit perfectly. The sleeve size on the GameGenic pack says 66x91mm. I measured the actual card, and it's about 64mm x 90mm.

Here are the card counts for the game:

Card Count
Main Box: 101

Stretch Goal Box: 22

Return of the Witch Lord Expansion: 14

Kellar’s Keep Expansion: 14

Total: 151


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Some people will want to modify the new game to reflect the missing "lore" of the classic. Others will be curious to adapt the new stuff to the classic rules (EU, NA or Japanese).


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