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Re: A Way to Fix the Wizard - Cantrips

Postby Count Mohawk » Saturday February 20th, 2016 12:22am

knightkrawler wrote:
Anderas wrote:Ah now it is better :D

Sorry I did not write very understandable before with my mobile phone on work. :D Luckily Mohawk translated. |_P


...the mathematician steps in and I'm the resident linguist. Go figure.

After you play Magic the Gathering for long enough you get a feel for these sorts of things.
Also, I have learned to suss out the holes in slev's work from experience. It's an inside joke at my house now. (All in good fun of course)


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Re: A Way to Fix the Wizard - Cantrips

Postby slev » Saturday February 20th, 2016 4:17am

Count Mohawk wrote:Also, I have learned to suss out the holes in slev's work from experience. It's an inside joke at my house now. (All in good fun of course)


Where this post on Old Scratch, you'd have wanted to not word it like that!


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Re: A Way to Fix the Wizard - Cantrips

Postby knightkrawler » Saturday February 20th, 2016 5:11am

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Re: A Way to Fix the Wizard - Cantrips

Postby Stoner81 » Sunday March 27th, 2016 10:52pm

In my rules I allowed the Wizard to start with 4 sets of spells assuming there isn't a Spellsword (basically a re-worked Elf), these can be from any set from the base ones to the ones in expansions. He can also spend gold to purchase a new spell school so he has more spells to pick from which should be more than enough I think, though I do need to re-work some spells since my monsters are a lot stronger than the base UK version. I did toy with allowing the Wizard to roll 2D6 every time he casts a spell and if he rolls equal to or under his current mind point score the spell is retained but with my other rules for hero expansion/upgrades (increasing body and mind points) this would get pretty daft pretty quick.

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Re: A Way to Fix the Wizard - Cantrips

Postby Daedalus » Wednesday April 13th, 2016 2:52pm

Daedalus wrote:I kind of like the last mechanic. Maybe I'll incorporate it an artifact that applies to the Wizard's standard spells, but it requires white shields as a seperate power-up solution. This would guarantee castingu the 9 chosen spells of the published rules but average 13 cast spells without requiring any extra Spell Cards.
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Casting back-to-back Genies may be a problem, so here is the same artifact reworked with a delay:

Wizard's Circlet

This mystical headband enables recovery
of cast spells. It can be worn only by the
Wizard. A Spell Card may be flipped rather
than discarded when cast. On his next turn,
the Wizard then uses a cast-a-spell action
and rolls a combat die. If a white shield is
rolled, flip the card back over and turn it
to the right for reuse. Discard the spell if
the roll fails or when it is cast again.


slev wrote:The second one is far easier than you think:

This mystical headband enables recovery
of cast spells. It can be worn only by the
Wizard. A Spell Card may be placed
underneath this card, ratherthan discarded
when cast. instead of casting a spell, you
mayand rolls a combat die. If a white shield
is rolled, add any spell under this card to
your hand. Otherwise, discard a spell from
under this card.

Thanks for the input. While I like your idea of transfering spells to the governing artifact better, I still want a limiting mechanism for how many times a spell is cast in my game. I also don't want to afford the Wizard a choice of discarding the weaker spells over more useful ones. Here's a rework that suits me:

Wizard's Circlet

This mystical headband enables recovery
of cast spells. It can be worn only by the
Wizard. Place a Spell Card under this card
when it is first cast. You may later use a
cast-a-spell action to choose any spell
under this card and roll a combat die. If a
white shield is rolled, return the Spell Card
into play, turned to the right. Discard the
spell if the roll fails or when it is cast again.
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Re: A Way to Fix the Wizard - Cantrips

Postby Daedalus » Wednesday April 13th, 2016 3:01pm

The cantrips are looking great. I've got some questions on the last one.

slev wrote:Force of Will
By this Cantrip, the Wizard overcomes the will of the foe.
Cast, 1MP, Mastery (Target's MP): Force one monster in Line of Sight to attack as if it where one of your Man-at-Arms.

Does the monster get to attack again on Zargon's turn, or does the forced attack count as its single attack? Does this include movement? Also, does the monster continue to attack as a Man-at-arms, or is it one turn only?
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Re: A Way to Fix the Wizard - Cantrips

Postby slev » Thursday April 14th, 2016 1:18am

Daedalus wrote:The cantrips are looking great. I've got some questions on the last one.

slev wrote:Force of Will
By this Cantrip, the Wizard overcomes the will of the foe.
Cast, 1MP, Mastery (Target's MP): Force one monster in Line of Sight to attack as if it where one of your Man-at-Arms.

Does the monster get to attack again on Zargon's turn, or does the forced attack count as its single attack? Does this include movement? Also, does the monster continue to attack as a Man-at-arms, or is it one turn only?



It literally causes one attack, then play resumes as normal.

It's only useful if there's a Monster that can make a suitable attack.


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Re: A Way to Fix the Wizard - Cantrips

Postby knightkrawler » Thursday April 14th, 2016 5:18am

Can the monster be moved, too, or does it have to be in attacking range in the first place?
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Re: A Way to Fix the Wizard - Cantrips

Postby slev » Thursday April 14th, 2016 7:00am

knightkrawler wrote:Can the monster be moved, too, or does it have to be in attacking range in the first place?


It would need to be in place.


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Re: A Way to Fix the Wizard - Cantrips

Postby Count Mohawk » Thursday April 14th, 2016 9:23am

slev wrote:It literally causes one attack, then play resumes as normal.

It's only useful if there's a Monster that can make a suitable attack.

Since people are having mental confusion, perhaps a rewording is in order:

Force of Will
By this Cantrip, the Wizard overcomes the will of the foe.
Cast, 1MP, Mastery (Target's MP): One monster within Line of Sight takes one immediate Attack Action as though it were one of your Men-at-Arms.
You may pay 1 life and exile a blue card from your hand rather than pay Force of Will's mana cost. Counter target spell.

This wording puts additional emphasis on the temporary nature of the control of the monster gained through Force of Will. I don't think people will as readily confuse "one Attack Action" with the multiple-turn control seen on spell cards such as Command. If additional clarifiaction is needed, add in parentheses "(You can't make that figure move or Cast a Spell.)".


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