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Hydra!

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Re: Hydra!

Postby Big Bene » Sunday May 7th, 2017 3:15pm

Goblin-King wrote:Leviathan, Behemoth and Ziz are biblical monsters of the seas, lands and skies respectively. Neither have specific characteristics, but are often used loosely in fantasy regardless.

Ziz is not exactly biblical. He is mentioned in jewish myths, but not in the bible itself. :ugeek:
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Re: Hydra!

Postby Goblin-King » Tuesday May 9th, 2017 3:25am

While not exactly featured heavily in the bible...
wikipedia wrote:There is only passing mention of the Ziz in the Bible, found in Psalms 50:11 "I know all the birds of the mountains and Zīz śāday is mine" and Psalms 80:13-14 "The boar from the forest ravages it, and Zīz śāday feeds on it." (Hebrew: וְזִיז שָׂדַי‎), and these are often lost in translation from the Hebrew.
Emphasis is mine.

So yes and no. If you regard the Hebrew bible as "canon" it does indeed feature Ziz.
But most other languages has replaced Ziz with simply insects, beasts or animals.

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Re: Hydra!

Postby Big Bene » Monday May 15th, 2017 9:25am

Goblin-King wrote:While not exactly featured heavily in the bible...

wikipedia hat geschrieben:
There is only passing mention of the Ziz in the Bible, found in Psalms 50:11 "I know all the birds of the mountains and Zīz śāday is mine" and Psalms 80:13-14 "The boar from the forest ravages it, and Zīz śāday feeds on it." (Hebrew: וְזִיז שָׂדַי‎), and these are often lost in translation from the Hebrew.

I stand corrected. My bad.
Normally, when making claims like this, and not really sure, I recheck the Hebrew source. Seems I'm getting old...
Of course, the Hebrew bible is canon. No "Yes and No" here, just "No". I missed that one.

Having said this, our little side discourse seems to have stopped the thread dead, which is a pity.
The real topic here are the monsters from "real" folklore made into Heroquest rules, which I think is a field of endless possiblilities.
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Re: Hydra!

Postby Anderas » Monday May 15th, 2017 9:46am

Which is not necessarily bad:

So far, we stated:
* Different viewpoints about a monster and how to use it in a Quest, by some preferring the "the MONSTER" variant and some preferring the "a monster" variant
* A host of special-rule-free statlines that can exhaust a fully equipped group
* Some examples of how you can special rule the hydra and the gorgons, so that they actually become special

So, on we go, with the other "historic" monsters! :)
I vote for excluding the manticore, because it was featured in the super-cheap copy of Heroquest, DSA Boardgame, first variant. :mrgreen:


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Re: Hydra!

Postby Goblin-King » Monday May 15th, 2017 9:56am

Moving on: There's also the lammasu from ancient Mesopotamian religion, perhaps most known for it's inclusion in the Chaos Dwarf army.


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Re: Hydra!

Postby Thor-in » Monday May 15th, 2017 11:51am

I've done a little research in Norse mythology, and came up with maybe two (the third is a joke) that could be used.

Draugr "Again-Walker" - Undead monster or Phantom, maybe could be used as a way to bring a fallen boss back to life. This monster is also used in Skyrim.
Hamingia - Shape-Shifter
Ratatoskr "Drill-Tooth or Bore-Tooth" - Means Squirrel
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Re: Hydra!

Postby Big Bene » Tuesday May 16th, 2017 5:13am

Thor-in wrote:Ratatoskr "Drill-Tooth or Bore-Tooth" - Means Squirrel
Ratatoskr is
Anderas wrote: "the MONSTER"

it is a very special squirrel that runs up and down the Midgart Tree Yggdrasill and exchanges news between the dragon at the root s and the eagle in the leafs - malevolent forces of nature who seek to destroy the Tree (=the human World).

By the way, the DSA boardgame part 1 was all but cheap. It had some great ideas: The heroes with the dial base (an early forerunner of Heroclix), the threedimensional part of the dungeon with the stairs, which can easily and very stylish been included into Heroquest, the openable chests for the treasures, the concept of collecting the figures of killed monsters for experince points (very haptic and HQ-style). The problem was that the basic gaming concept is broken - you play the same quest all the time. This is because they tried to think of something original and not copy Heroquest too close (like other games of the area). Pitily, they didn't come up with an idea as good as Heroquest (which would have been near impossible anyway). But the game definitely has it's merits.
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Re: Hydra!

Postby Daedalus » Thursday July 13th, 2017 1:52am

Aw man, this is the second time my Hydra is late to the party!

As for the OP's request for other mythical beasts, don't forget the salamander and even the hypocampus and sea serpent if you can get around the water issue.

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Re: Hydra!

Postby cynthialee » Thursday July 13th, 2017 11:36am

I have only had one group of adventurers defeat a hydra regardless of game system.
My players would much prefer to interrupt a pair of amorous dragons.

For HQ How would I build a Hydra...?
1st determine starting heads. 1 for every Hero in play and an extra head for each 3 sell swords the heroes have employed sounds good...
Move: 5
Attack Per Head: 3
Defend: 8
Mind: 1 {Dominant Head: 2}
Body: 10
The heads of course regenerate...2 new heads appear for each head destroyed. A head is destroyed on any attack inflicting 3 or more body points per blow. This mechanic may be avoided if the players specifically dictate they are actively avoiding the heads, but this will require the heroes to attack with one less attack dice. If a head is destroyed it must be cauterized with fire, acid or raw magic. This will take an action by the next hero who has a torch, an acid flask or a spell caster. A spell caster need not use a spell card to summons the raw magic to seal the wound, but he will have to of course get close enough to do it and make his dice roll. The beast may not defend against cauterizing attacks, but the hero or sell sword must roll a skull. These cauterizing attacks are taken with 2 combat dice. If a destroyed head is not cauterized before the EWP takes his turn then two new heads will appear in it's place. These heads may take immediate attacks.
The beasts necks are long and very agile. The monster may strike any target in the same room. In hallways the beast has a range of 3 squares.
If 'defeated' the corpse of the hydra must be cremated or it will regenerate over time.

The unique monster known as the Lernean Hydra has all of the above combat statistics x3. This hydra is a god slayer so expect to die if you meet it.

Some rare versions of these monsters are reported to employ breath weapons. Fire, acid and chlorine attacks are most common.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
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