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Why I left all three HeroQuest groups on Facebook

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Re: Why I left all three HeroQuest groups on Facebook

Postby Kurgan » Friday June 17th, 2022 12:12pm

Exactly. When I go to the Inn I don't want to be asked "so, do you agree with my personal politics or that of my parent corporation?" and if the answer is yes I'm going to get to talk HeroQuest and have fun, but if the answer is no, I'm going to be treated as a villain or not allowed to participate. As long as I shut my mouth about those divisive topics that have nothing to do with the game, I can carry on without a care.

A person can search around the web and find people whose opinions on other topics you might find despicable, and yet they love HeroQuest as much as you do, maybe even more. I don't need to know a person's private life to make a judgement whether their homebrew rules are any fun or their miniatures look good. I still will play with people I disagree with on topics I'm passionate about, because it's the game we have in common, and that's not some kind of endorsement of their beliefs anymore than they are endorsing mine. And certainly having to pay homage to some corporation and their pseudo-beliefs is not something I'd ask of anyone who joined a community I was in charge of that was about gaming of all things! Then you have platforms that without endorsing a specific creed, can nevertheless create a mob mentality in which those creeds are endorsed anyway, and once again it gets in the way of the enjoyment. And of course all of the advertising and manipulation that would be present regardless of the ideological underpinnings or ethos which is very off-putting and annoying. Plus companies have a tendency to censor material that is negative towards their advertising goal, so there goes the honesty and openness.

That's why social media as it is currently construed will never be a satisfactory replacement for places like the Inn, no matter how "convenient" or popular they might be in comparison. So even if the Inn related FB groups are based directly on our community, the FB experience can also tarnish that ability to enjoy and participate without that scrutiny and nonsense hanging overhead or lurking in the background. I shouldn't have to keep the page open and constantly refresh to avoid missing something "important" that will vanish within a day or so if I don't keep glued to the scroll.

The HeroQuestFans community was created in part to provide another avenue to discuss stuff, but at the same time it's harder to find stuff, and some people might not enjoy my content from Twitch and Youtube (which, like it or not, is the focus of the site, although our painting and crafting communities have grown by leaps and bounds and we have great conversations nearly every single day), so it will similarly never replace something like the Inn. I'd have to create a forum that does everything the Inn does and invite everyone to it, and why would I do that? Exactly.


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Re: Why I left all three HeroQuest groups on Facebook

Postby iKarith » Monday June 20th, 2022 3:39pm

The thing about that … before everyone knew everything about everyone thanks to social media, we didn't. You got to know someone because they were involved with something you were and … they were people, normal people. If you found they believed things you didn't, you already had gotten to know them and so they weren't necessarily "evil" for thinking differently, just "wrong".

These days anyone who thinks different from you is not "wrong", but automatically "evil", "worse than {Hitler,Stalin}", etc. I'm pretty sure there's folks that are "left-wing" here, and I'd guess they're both fairly sure I'm in the other one. Because there's only allowed to be two? You'd think the Europeans at least would know better, but nah, not so much.

I do have some pretty strong opinions about a couple groups that actively made things worse/scary/violent a couple years ago now because I abhor that kind of thing on principle. And I've got a problem with people making accusations where literally X or not X are both "proof" of some grievous sin because apparently they read minds and know that either one is some kind of secret code for what you actually believe …

But even those are enough on social media to get you labeled, branded, and of course, othered. And there's folks who can, have, and do set out to utterly destroy your life over such sins in their own deluded minds. Gotta say I've experienced that coming from one direction than another … but where I live I'm exposed to one faction in far greater numbers than the other. I know they both do it, and I'm personally sick of it.

We can't avoid these things seeping in here now and then because we can't really shut out the world. We are just getting over the scary parts of a pandemic after all. And then now there's a madman who decided to make his best effort to start WWIII as soon as he thought he could get away with it. Even if you could expect people to leave the politics at the door (you can't completely), those are some pretty heavy world events. It's hard to turn them off, especially if you know people affected by the pandemic or either side of Russia's crimes.

In my own case, yes, yes, and yes, though I am pretty fortunate. I know people affected by covid, but anyone I'm close to has recovered pretty well, having avoided it until they were vaccinated against older, more deadly strains. And my Ukranian friends lost homes/neighborhoods, but they got out. My Russian friends are Internet users and never fell for the propaganda and lies. (I worry about one young Svetlana in Moscow who's likely to get herself arrested mocking Putin in big and showy ways in public—be careful and be safe Sveta—but otherwise I'm damned fortunate!) Still, we can't really expect people are gonna be able to turn that off.

But we can offer them a chance to step away from that for a few minutes and enjoy a good game battling monsters and digging for loot. And that's worth something.
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Re: Why I left all three HeroQuest groups on Facebook

Postby InSpectreRetro » Wednesday August 17th, 2022 7:23pm

As an avid Facebook user, I will say that Facebook sucks in many, many ways.

The groups function is, however, one of the best aspects of the site. The ability to connect with people is greater because of the natural personal connection of knowing their name, but also its just more widely used by people.

Is it perfect? Not in any way. All of the flaws of facebook are there, but as a medium for people coming together, its pretty easy going.

Sometimes the inn can be intimidating, maybe even a bit cliquish, because many people here have been here for a long time. Also, its not a social media app that most people have on their phone. Message board interfaces are great on computers, but are awful on phones. Except maybe reddit.

In the end, both avenues have their functions for everyone and its awesome to see so much life back in the game we all love.
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Re: Why I left all three HeroQuest groups on Facebook

Postby TheLastChaosWarrior » Thursday August 18th, 2022 6:37am

cornixt wrote:Facebook is built around two principles now: rechecking feeds, and hiding existing data to encourage more posts. Neither of these is congruous with discussion of mainly static data, it's all about what's currently popular and how many times they can serve you adverts while you hunt for something new or something you saw a short while ago. When the Hasbro version gets delivered you'll have to get ready for the massive repetition of the same few types of Facebook posts: People showing off the game, people angry at something in the game, people asking the same rules questions that were asked the day before. And there is no way to avoid subjects you aren't interested in.

On Facebook, I have blocked every game, every meme site, every group. My feed is only posts made by friends and family (and more recently it is filling with "suggested" posts from elsewhere that Facebook wants me to join). The adverts are nearly all for boardgames (because I used to be signed up to groups related to them), so at least it is stuff I am interested in. I only visit it in a browser that I only use for Facebook so they don't get any more tracking data about me from elsewhere on the internet.

Yes same here, I hate social media and am not a member of any of them, esp Fakebook!
Also, that's a great idea, only having a browser open for one specific site!
Ps does anyone's know how to quote a specific line of someone's comment on here, not the whole comment?
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Re: Why I left all three HeroQuest groups on Facebook

Postby Markus Darwath » Monday November 21st, 2022 3:52am

I too have checked out the HQ groups on facebook and decided, "nah." Tho in my particular case it had a lot to do with the site malfunctioning. I'd be scrolled fairly far down into the feed, click on a picture to get a better view of it, then when exiting out of the picture it would take my back to the top of the feed instead of the post I was looking at. I ain't got time for that.
Of course, I really don't like fb anyway. I joined many years ago because it seemed like a good way to reconnect/stay in touch with friends from back in the day that you just don't see anymore. My biggest use for it now is organizing my gaming group's monthly game nights. My friends list has all of 40 some-odd people in it, all of whom I actually know in real life, and even half of them are on 'unfollow' because they tend to post large quantities of crap that I have no interest in.
If Zuckerberg runs the company into the ground with his metaverse dystopian fantasy, and fb ceases to be, I won't shed any tears. If Musk can additionally destroy Twitter, and Tik Tok gets banned from the US, the world will be left a far better place, in my opinion.

edit to add: I've also taken to only opening facebook in a private window, which I then close when done. Seems to cut down a lot on their ability to come up with "suggestions" and targeted ads.
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