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Re: HeroScribe for Twisted Catacombs?

Postby Jasper Akhkharu » Saturday February 28th, 2015 9:39am

drathe... did you do any of the coding when you helped out Derfel? Ive run into some errors with getting the cygwin stuff to work with the older tools that HS uses. I think it may be a 64-bit problem, so was wondering if you are using a 32 or 64 system. HeroScribe is an older program, so I'm wondering if the tools may have become outdated to the point where they aren't compatible with a 64-bit.
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Re: HeroScribe for Twisted Catacombs?

Postby drathe » Sunday March 1st, 2015 2:30am

Yes, I did the coding too. I'm on 32-bit.
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Re: HeroScribe for Twisted Catacombs?

Postby StratosVX » Tuesday October 13th, 2015 10:12am

Jasper Akhkharu wrote:drathe... did you do any of the coding when you helped out Derfel? Ive run into some errors with getting the cygwin stuff to work with the older tools that HS uses. I think it may be a 64-bit problem, so was wondering if you are using a 32 or 64 system. HeroScribe is an older program, so I'm wondering if the tools may have become outdated to the point where they aren't compatible with a 64-bit.

I recently tried to install the cygwin files and was unsuccessful. I'm looking for work arounds. I was successful in getting maps made, but haven't tried icons yet.


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Re: HeroScribe for Twisted Catacombs?

Postby Jasper Akhkharu » Tuesday November 3rd, 2015 10:04am

Its been a while since I've done anything on this, but if I recall correctly, the issue is converting raster images to vector images - HeroScribe uses vectors (.eps file extensions). The cygwin software is used for only that - the conversion element.

Adobe Illustrator is the most prevalent software for doing this. You used to be able to buy the software outright, but Adobe has switched to subscription only, which is $20/month for a single program. I was interested in making vector icons for TC and tried all of this out but had the same cygwin problem.

The actual coding inolved with getting the icons into HeroScribe is all basic python stuff, which i should be able to handle.
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Re: HeroScribe for Twisted Catacombs?

Postby StratosVX » Tuesday November 3rd, 2015 11:54am

I've been able to use Photoshop to get my raster and sample images, and I use Terminal to make the gzip files for the vector images. I can get the icons to show up in Heroscribe just fine and they get placed on the map just fine. The issue I'm running into is with the exported files. When I export the maps as png images, everything lines up just as I had laid them out. However, when I export as an .eps file (my preferred method of export), none of the icons are where I placed them. They are shifted so the center of my icon is lined up on the top right corner (I believe it was the top right) of where I had actually placed them on the map. Adjusting the offset doesn't fix the issue, it just adjusts where the icon gets laid out on the map, but the eps export still has the same issue. I emailed Derfel to see if he has any ideas why it is doing that, but I haven't heard back yet.


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Re: HeroScribe for Twisted Catacombs?

Postby Jasper Akhkharu » Friday November 6th, 2015 10:26am

Aside from exporting the maps in another format, i dont have any suggestons. It seems that HeroScribe may be nearing the end of its life. Its still a great program for doing what it does, but the software is getting old now. Lately I have been using a lot of Battle Map tiles (Heroic Maps, SkeletonKey Games and Lord Zsezse being my favorites so far) and I've been experimenting with using PDFs and layers to make maps with the HeroScribe Icons. I've had some pretty good results, although setting things up (scaling them, making them black-an-white, etc) is tedious.
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Re: HeroScribe for Twisted Catacombs?

Postby Anderas » Friday November 6th, 2015 10:42am

You can generate vector files here

http://www.autotracer.org/

Count Mohawk was banging my nose on it. It works well!


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Re: HeroScribe for Twisted Catacombs?

Postby whitebeard » Tuesday April 5th, 2016 5:29pm

StratosVX wrote:I've been able to use Photoshop to get my raster and sample images, and I use Terminal to make the gzip files for the vector images. I can get the icons to show up in Heroscribe just fine and they get placed on the map just fine. The issue I'm running into is with the exported files. When I export the maps as png images, everything lines up just as I had laid them out. However, when I export as an .eps file (my preferred method of export), none of the icons are where I placed them. They are shifted so the center of my icon is lined up on the top right corner (I believe it was the top right) of where I had actually placed them on the map. Adjusting the offset doesn't fix the issue, it just adjusts where the icon gets laid out on the map, but the eps export still has the same issue. I emailed Derfel to see if he has any ideas why it is doing that, but I haven't heard back yet.


Hey Stratos,

Any ideas how to fix this? I am generating new icons directly in the vector package InkScape (I run linux), and the export to .eps has this same offset. The offset only appears in the exported .pdf, as the rasters are obviously fine.

I'm guessing that the usual eps format used in the base icons declares a reference coordinate system that is in the top right and this other standard declares (or does not or vice versa) it in the middle of the icon. So when HeroScribe draws our new stuff, we get the center landing in the top right of the box.

The EPS is just text, so a well placed text command in each file should fix it. Otherwise we just need someone who can create these files correctly to open our files in their tool and re-save to the compatible standard. Not exactly what I had in mind, but that *should* work too.

ideas?

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Re: HeroScribe for Twisted Catacombs?

Postby StratosVX » Wednesday April 6th, 2016 12:59am

whitebeard wrote:
StratosVX wrote:I've been able to use Photoshop to get my raster and sample images, and I use Terminal to make the gzip files for the vector images. I can get the icons to show up in Heroscribe just fine and they get placed on the map just fine. The issue I'm running into is with the exported files. When I export the maps as png images, everything lines up just as I had laid them out. However, when I export as an .eps file (my preferred method of export), none of the icons are where I placed them. They are shifted so the center of my icon is lined up on the top right corner (I believe it was the top right) of where I had actually placed them on the map. Adjusting the offset doesn't fix the issue, it just adjusts where the icon gets laid out on the map, but the eps export still has the same issue. I emailed Derfel to see if he has any ideas why it is doing that, but I haven't heard back yet.


Hey Stratos,

Any ideas how to fix this? I am generating new icons directly in the vector package InkScape (I run linux), and the export to .eps has this same offset. The offset only appears in the exported .pdf, as the rasters are obviously fine.

I'm guessing that the usual eps format used in the base icons declares a reference coordinate system that is in the top right and this other standard declares (or does not or vice versa) it in the middle of the icon. So when HeroScribe draws our new stuff, we get the center landing in the top right of the box.

The EPS is just text, so a well placed text command in each file should fix it. Otherwise we just need someone who can create these files correctly to open our files in their tool and re-save to the compatible standard. Not exactly what I had in mind, but that *should* work too.

ideas?

Thanks.

I wish I did. I use Inkscape too, so maybe it has something to do with that program? Nothing I tried would fix this. Lately though I've been thinking of ways to make HS more user friendly to see if I might be able to (one day, probably in a few years with my schedule) alter the programming to be easier to import icons and maps. I have some ideas, but I don't know how feasible they are. If you do come up with a solution, for the above problem though, I'd love to hear it. I've compared the icons I've created and ones that come with HS in a text editor, but there are so many differences I have no idea what to change to try to compensate for the offset.


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Re: HeroScribe for Twisted Catacombs?

Postby Jasper Akhkharu » Thursday April 7th, 2016 11:24am

So my current project has been to make a HeroScribe-style map maker using Photoshop, exclusively. Ive been scaling map images (i use a lot of modular tiles like Lord Zsezse Works, Heroic Maps, SkeletonKey Games, etc.) and this has worked well. Photoshop's layers will basically let you drag and drop icons onto the map andplace them anywhere, so it should avoid any problems like those you guys have been having.

Once i finish sizing all my maps and converting them to black-and-white, i will be able to play around with icons. Im using PSE so i cant make icons themselves, but this should resolve any issues with icon placement.

I can keep ppl updated with this if anyone is interested. HeroScribe has just become too outdated for me to use effectively anymore :cry:
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