THE SPIRIT QUEEN'S TORMENT discussion

[The1Lion]

Especially if they are planning to remake the BQP which features the rule. So we'll have two different interpretations of Heroes with 0 MP, again like the old days.

Actually 3 now! I just saw on page 4 of Prophecy of Telor that a hero is considered unconscious if BP as reduced to zero. Not only that, but monsters will not take an unconscious players items. Another hero can cast a spell or use a potion to revive an unconscious player. Complete reversal of the rules.

[therealshrek]

I saw the Mind = ) thing as more complicated. Yes it has a different rule in two places in the original game,
but it was being used 2 different ways, so I used both, depending on what why your Mind Points dropped.

Likewise, I used the Orc Brawling Rules from White Dwarf for Warhammer Quest to do the same thing with
Body Points. "Bruise Damage" like from fist fights could only make you pass out. And likewise, dropping to
zero hit points from damage was not the same as being dropped below zero. You were unconscious, but not yet dead.
Which was also introduced in the older game expansions.

[Sinned]

the orc Sigill is referred to as “they” for some reason.

Must be the pronoun hype a certain group wants to shove in everyones face.

[cynthialee]

Especially if they are planning to remake the BQP which features the rule. So we'll have two different interpretations of Heroes with 0 MP, again like the old days.

Actually 3 now! I just saw on page 4 of Prophecy of Telor that a hero is considered unconscious if BP as reduced to zero. Not only that, but monsters will not take an unconscious players items. Another hero can cast a spell or use a potion to revive an unconscious player. Complete reversal of the rules.

just consider it a quest note

[Kurgan]

Yeah, like she said above, that's a special case.

I would simply make an executive decision before the quest begins as Zargon and either go with the KK/ROTWL classic rule (they're out of the quest, possibly dead) or the EQP/BQP classic rule ("in shock") and decide if you want to allow them to "recover" (that is, if Mind Points are brought ABOVE zero by any means, they become "alive" again).

[Kurgan]

SPOILERS:

List of Artifact Locations for this quest book:

Quest 2: Anti-Poison Quill (repeat from ROTWL)
Quest 3: Talisman of Lore (repeat from GS, if you don't already have it)
Quest 4: Rabbit Boots (repeat from ROTWL)
Quest 4: Spell Scroll: Courage (repeat from KK/ROTWL)
Quest 5: Phantom Blade
Quest 6: Dust of Disappearance (repeat from ROTWL)
Quest 7: Spell Scroll: Fire of Wrath (repeat from KK/ROTWL)
Quest 7: Spell Scroll: Tempest (repeat from KK)
Quest 7: Orc's Bane (repeat from GS, if you don't already have it, ANY hero may use it apparently even the Wizard in this quest at least)
Quest 8: Wizard's Staff (repeat from GS, if you don't already have it)
Quest 9: Fortune's Longsword *
Quest 10: Borin's Armor (repeat from GS, doesn't say if you don't have it already so this could be a second copy!) **
Quest 11: Elixir of Life (repeat from GS, even if you already have one)
Quest 12: Wizard's Cloak (repeat from GS, doesn't say if you don't have it already so this could be a second copy... good if you have the Warlock with you)
Quest 13: Spell Ring (repeat from GS, doesn't say if they don't have it already so this could be a second copy... useful for any magic user!)

SPOILERS

* There is another chance to find this artifact in The Jungles of Delthrak IF you do not already possess it.

** Another copy of this artifact can be found in The Jungles of Delthrak!

Note, Avalon Hill re-released Spirit Queen's Torment as a retail product in 2023 (at the same time as Prophecy of Telor), containing fixes for most of the errata noted by fans from the first release to that time... and now retail Game System owners will finally have an official location for some more of those artifacts (without having to pay scalper prices for the Mythic boxes that are still floating around online)!

Prophecy of Telor Artifact Locations
Spirit Queen's Torment Artifact Locations
Crypt of Perpetual Darkness Artifact Locations

[Kurgan]

The story sounds *lemony goodness* to be honest. Sounds like the writer has either never played Heroquest or has a big enough ego/delusion that he thinks he can do better.

In your opinions how easy would it be to change the story so that the good orcs ( ) are completely replaced by another race? Humans from Bretonnia, or Tilea, for example, or even Norsemen?
Bretonnians could be a good option because they have a strong tradition of chivalry (for the Bard) and it lies right on the border of the Elven realm.

We know in the original lore Goblins were slaves of Orcs in many cases, so they would be a put upon group. But yes, you could easily substitute just about anything for the "friendly" Orcs if you wanted. The only thing is that in some cases you'll encounter them and not realize they're allies yet (that is, they're blended into the monster groups you encounter). So it might be a little less of a surprise if there is one human sitting there in a room with a bunch of Orcs. BUT if you have a few spare mercs, we've all seen that these guys can be used as good OR bad in official quests, so making one of them a turncoat/traitor/prisoner-forced-to-fight would work. A similar thing happens in the Elf Quests where you can have some of the elven soldiers switch sides. Using your imagination you could do whatever you liked.

Let me give an example of a comparable scenario... you enter a room and there are three "enemy" mercs. Two crossbowmen and a swordsman. Turns out the swordsman is a defector. If you can detect him (that is, pause a moment before you take out the whole group like normal), he'll fight for your side.

We've known all along that the good guys in HQ span a variety of peoples, as do the forces of Chaos. Not all elves and humans are good and so forth. I would say the change would be quite easy, and if you wanted to tie it into some greater story you could do that too with a little effort. It's just that gameplay wise they're going t have Orc-like stats if you want to keep the difficulty the same.

The generic "they" I presume is because since there are now explicitly female Orc models, whatever you have left is used for the character so it's a placeholder (could be male or female). I wouldn't personally read any more into it. It's probably the way reason they make Zargon's gender unspecified (because it could be a little girl playing the GM). Frankly I'm all for imagination and "playing a role" but that's me, I'm guessing that was their thought process there. The original KK I believe had one Fimir that could cast rust spells and they referred to the Fimir as "it" which is odd (all the others are referred to in the generic masculine). In Warhammer fantasy lore I discover that magic using Fimirs are usually female. So who knows.

But back in the day we didn't worry about that so much. We used the Chaos Warlock to represent Sir Ragnar and nobody batted an eye. "Hey there sir, glad we rescued you, but why are you dressed like the Witch Lord and holding your arms up like that?" "Oh, no reason..." The miniatures were cool but meant as placeholders for whatever your imagination saw that character as, within the generic framework of what it was meant to be (Orc, Barbarian, Zombie, wounded knight, etc). Maybe your Barbarian had a mohawk haircut and a scar across his chest. Maybe that Orc had an eyepatch and a funny tattoo. Maybe the elf had blue gray eyes...
But if we can sell you more minis...

[Super Saiyan Musashi]

Does Sigill have stats? I didn't see a set anywhere.

[Kurgan]

All the Orc allies have regular Orc stats. The only time the Bard figures in is the first time another Hero dies he replaces them (otherwise he isn't used at all unless someone wanted to start the campaign with him).

[Anderas]

SPOILERS!

If you want a corrected version of the quests,
I prepared one

Sorry, it may be the old version of Heroquest, not using the new symbols.
The Quest Map files in old style, error-corrected, readable by Heroscribe.

Have fun!