Searching for treasure ... US vs. EU

[Maurice76]

Why don't just double/treble/quadruple the reward GPs

And double/triple/quadruple the hazard cards too? . Imagine, quadrupling the Wandering Monsters when that card is drawn .

[Gold Bearer]

Why don't just double/treble/quadruple the reward GPs

And double/triple/quadruple the hazard cards too? . Imagine, quadrupling the Wandering Monsters when that card is drawn .

No I mean the reward for completing quests and/or the quest note GPs in the quests, not the treasure cards.

[Daedalus]

. . . Previously mentioned furniture searching is a nice mod. Another option is to instead allow one search per room as a default, but to also allow an extra search--up to four--to be allowed for each defeated monster. This way more dangerous rooms potentially provide greater rewards, but searches will sometimes be limited to than less than four per room.

Me likes a comparison table, so I've added in the above mod. I used the EU Quests for the comparison. It comes in a bit higher than the room size/weighted mod--there's an extra search or two per Quest. I feel that's fine when NA monster Body Points are used as those tougher monsters should come with faster gear upgrades anyway.

Questbook 1: The Gathering Storm	Europe	America	Furniture	Weighted	Monsters
Quest 1: The Rescue of Sir Ragnar	18	40	16	21	19
Quest 2: Prince Magnus' Gold	20	40	14	20	21
Quest 3: Lair of the Orc Warlord	11	36	15	18	20
Quest 4: Melar's Maze	21	40	17	22	19
Quest 5: Castle of Mystery	10	40	10	23	27
Quest 6: Race Against Time	18	52	18	26	28
Quest 7: The Stone Hunter	17	40	15	22	18
Quest 8: Legacy of the Orc Warlord	19	32	13	16	19
Quest 9: The Fire Mage	26	48	17	26	23
Quest 10: The Bastion of Chaos	25	52	22	28	31
Quest 11: The Trial	19	44	25	26	34
Quest 12: Barak Tor - Barrow of the Witch Lord	27	40	14	19	21
Quest 13: Quest for the Spirit Blade	20	40	13	20	22
Quest 14: Return to Barak Tor	23	40	12	18	24
Questbook total	274	584	221	305	326
Questbook 2: Kellar's Keep	Europe	America	Furniture	Weighted	Monsters
Quest 1: The Great Gate	19	28	14	18	19
Quest 2: The Warrior Halls	18	36	10	18	19
Quest 3: The Spiral Passage	20	36	12	16	27
Quest 4: The Dwarven Forge	24	40	21	21	21
Quest 5: Hall of the Dwarven Kings	14	12	7	10	8
Quest 6: The Great Citadel	23	56	26	32	38
Quest 7: The Eastern Passage	22	40	15	21	26
Quest 8: Belorn's Mine	18	24	10	8	15
Quest 9: The East Gate	15	36	16	22	25
Quest 10: Grin's Crag	20	40	15	22	25
Questbook total	193	348	146	188	223
Questbook 3: Return of the Witch Lord	Europe	America	Furniture	Weighted	Monsters
Quest 1: The Gate of Doom	24	40	15	21	30
Quest 2: The Cold Halls	18	44	14	24	23
Quest 3: The Silent Passages	19	52	18	23	32
Quest 4: The Halls of Vision	23	40	12	20	16
Quest 5: The Gate of Bellthor	25	40	15	24	22
Quest 6: The Halls of the Dead	27	52	16	28	26
Quest 7: The Forgotten Legion	29	44	11	24	15
Quest 8: The Forbidden City	29	60	19	33	24
Quest 9: The Last Gate	24	44	19	24	33
Quest 10: The Court of the Witch Lord	25	44	13	22	24
Questbook total	243	460	152	243	245
Totals	Europe	America	Furniture	Weighted	Monsters
	710	1392	519	736	794

[Maurice76]

Me likes a comparison table, so I've added in the above mod. I used the EU Quests for the comparison. It comes in a bit higher than the room size/weighted mod--there's an extra search or two per Quest. I feel that's fine when NA monster Body Points are used as those tougher monsters should come with faster gear upgrades anyway.

Hey, that's actually a nice idea as well. Basically, it becomes a slight bit like hack & slash games like Diablo, where all monsters can drop loot. After defeating the baddies in a room, the players can do a "full body search" of the slain enemies so to speak. The only weird part would then be triggering a trap while doing so . But I like this idea better than my weighted idea, anyway.

Hmm, coming to think of it: would a defeated Wandering Monster allow for another body search?

[Daedalus]

Credit Chaotic Prime, an old Inn member, with the basic idea of one search per Monster. I merely recognized it's worth and added in the four-search cap. The table is a great way to evaluate how the treasure-drop measures up. Thanks for that.

If you want to track extra treasure searches, place a skull tile where a monster is killed, up to three times in a room. After the first search for treasure allowed for any room, M/Z removes a skull tile whenever another Hero searches the same room for treasure again. Heroes may only make extra searches for treasure in a room that contains a skull tile.

[Maurice76]

I actually plan to use skull symbols as trap markers (traps that are detected, but not yet removed or triggered).

Anyway, I will discuss what my player group wants to use. I can decide what I like, but if my friends all disagree with it, I am going to have a hard time to sell that decision to them. And in the end, it's about having fun, not getting frustrated about some weird ruling - whether original or my own .

[j_dean80]

I actually plan to use skull symbols as trap markers (traps that are detected, but not yet removed or triggered).

Anyway, I will discuss what my player group wants to use. I can decide what I like, but if my friends all disagree with it, I am going to have a hard time to sell that decision to them. And in the end, it's about having fun, not getting frustrated about some weird ruling - whether original or my own .

I would be against marking traps. It is up to the Heroes to remember or use an Action to ask again.

[mitchiemasha]

Instead of treasure searches for monsters, the idea i liked was to include a bounty hunter in with the merc, men at arms deck. The bounty hunter would earn you gold for kills, specific to the class he hunts. Teeth for orcs, orbs for chaos warriors etc!

I actually plan to use skull symbols as trap markers (traps that are detected, but not yet removed or triggered).

If they have the explorers kit yes, it's in my armoury. This represents Heroes making a little map for reminders. Spear traps are removed anyways so it's falling rocks and pits only. Pits once discovered, triggered can't be removed, hence the ROPE! If you search for traps and you have the tool kit, 1 trap is auto removed, the rest would be marked. If you want to remove another, simply do another trap search. It is worded in the UK ed, "remove any traps that you find" simple and perfect. No need to be adjacent, you're simply disarming the mechanisms or what ever... which can still harm you, hence "on the roll of a skull the trap goes off and you lose 1 body point". You're not in the pit and the pit is still removed (the text ending the card). Same for if this is a falling rock, it's not 3 hits, you're not under it, it's 1bp. Starting with disarm traps skill (the dwarf) doesn't have to roll, picking this skill at the start is the permanent advantage over the tool kit to follow you through the entire game. Having the trap removed, even if you roll a skull is what makes the tool kit worth while over the roll of simply jumping it.

I'm even allowing the tool kit as a roll on treasure cards, it is expensive and no one really buys it. It does say any trap you find, twist the words there. Which the dwarf doesn't have by default, so now he might be tempted to buy 1 too.

2MP Skill
DISABLE TRAPS: Disable a trap you find during your trap search.

ARMOURY
Explorers Kit: 50gc Found unsprung traps are placed face down on the board.
Rope: 200gc Enter or exit a sprung pit trap. Climb: -1 move d6
Tool Kit: 250gc Remove a trap you find during your search // Roll 1Cd6 Skull: -1 Body Point. Shield: Safe. Black Shield: Damaged lose kit.
Torch: 100gc Can reroll 1 move d6. Dies if same result. Mummy -1 Cd6

I also recently figure out how to include a torch mechanic, illuminating the darkness, with out too much complication. As double 1's are HAZARD, this can be quite useful. Which added a Thug to the INN, men for hire, A torch carrier.

[girot]

There's only 1 way to do this. Each room is limited to 1 Treasure search plus however items of furniture are in the room.

This is how my kids and I do it. One for the room itself, one for each piece of furniture.

[DullandRusty]

So far, I haven't found anything that is reasonably affordable, given the low quantity of cards.

check out thegamecrafter.com it is super cheap. us game cards cost $1.66 for 18 cards. you make a deck of 60 and you are looking under 6 bucks.