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Is there a purpose to the spell twist wood?

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Re: Is there a purpose to the spell twist wood?

Postby lestodante » Saturday February 2nd, 2019 5:37pm

wallydubbs wrote:1.) What is the range of the spell, does it have to be within line of sight?
2.) Does it effect just 1 monster or 2?
3.) Does it effect the heroes as well? Hypnotic Blaze doesn't spare them, why should this?
4.) How do we know whose weapons have wood in it. The Fimir is carrying a battle axe, but that doesn't necessarily imply the handle is made of wood.
5.) What about the Ogre, his weapon definitely appears to be made of wood, but there's no telling how much his attack dice relies on the weapon or the force he's exerting to swing it.
6.) Monsters' attack and defense strength is not determined the same way as the heroes is. How are we to determine all of their unarmed stats?
7.) Is the Ice Gremlin holding a staff or just a stick? Either way, is it made of wood? What is his attack Strength without it?
8.) The Polar Warbear's club could be made of wood... does that negate his first attack?
9.) How will the heroes know when to choose this spell, do we forewarn them that Elven Archers will be in said quest? (They only appear in 2 quests).
10.) Does the spell have any effect on furniture?
11.) What about the Archemage, the figurine appears to be holding a wolveshead staff, he/she has some valid attack Strength. Would it effect him/her and to what degree?


1 as all the spells, line of sight counts
2 any monsters visible by the spellcaster
3 no... only against monsters. I like the idea that a magic user has some kind of control over his spells
4 Fimir axe is made of wood, just look at pictures when it is painted in brown
5 same dice attack but need to roll black shields instead of skulls
6 as in point 5, it is the fast way to handle it in my opinion and add a concrete penalty to the affected monster
7 they hold a ice stick so they are not affected by the spell
8 as point 5, he attack with black shields
9 why they should know? They will never wknow what's expecting them in a new quest
10 it says "any wood weapon" so not on furniture, but it may be interesting to apply on closed doors, traps and more
11 I guess the archmage will use a mirror magic spell to avoid the effect. She still has spells anyway.


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Re: Is there a purpose to the spell twist wood?

Postby wallydubbs » Monday February 4th, 2019 8:00am

I could live with the Black Shield thing, it seems reasonable.

In regards to it not working on heroes as well; the spell does specify crossbows, bows and staffs. In some occasions we'll come across an orc with a crossbow or goblin with a bow... but I don't believe there's ever a specific point where a monster is armed with a staff (save Grak).
Some would say this spell should apply to heroes as well. Hypnotic Blaze is a very powerful (in my opinion), so the fact that it can backfire on heroes is an eloquent way of balancing it. Have you playtested the black shield thing to see if it balances out?
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Re: Is there a purpose to the spell twist wood?

Postby lestodante » Tuesday February 5th, 2019 10:06am

Using the :blackshield: black shields instead of :skull: skulls was a rule that we applied with my team many many years ago, because in the Witch Lord expansion pack there's a quest where the Heroes start from the cell and are unequipped; so what to do if they will meet a monster BEFORE reaching their equipment?
Not so much to test in my opinion, since it can happen very rarely.


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Re: Is there a purpose to the spell twist wood?

Postby Kurgan » Sunday June 9th, 2019 3:34pm

I would treat it as what shows on the miniature (barring any extra explanation in the quest notes). I would treat it as I treat my "rust" spell (a modification given to my new "Mystic" character class) except for wood rather than metal (most weapons are a composite of both anyway though for this purpose I will avoid the question of whether a sword is partially wood or not... maybe the handle is ivory or bone and wrapped cloth instead).

It works at range, and ruins the enemy's wooden weapon, reducing them to 1 attack die, unless it's a strong monster then they are only reduced to 2 attack dice.
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Re: Is there a purpose to the spell twist wood?

Postby Kurgan » Tuesday February 4th, 2020 7:45am

So my version of the Rust spell (Mystic spell) reduces "strong" monsters to 2 attack dice. Just because their cool weapon goes away, doesn't mean they suddenly lose their superior physical strength, and this is just the wood equivalent of that.

I explicitly added a line to the Wizard's (Alchemist's) staff that it resists this type of spell as well as rust (technically one version of Rust don't work against Artifacts, another only works on "Equipment"). I would treat "Twist Wood" the same way with a monster that has a wooden weapon.

Twist wood works on wooden weapons, which are normally immune to the "rust" type spells. All of the Mercenaries with ranged weapons also have a way to attack adjacent. Some of them explicitly only have one (meaning they use a dagger or are unarmed), while others get a broadsword for example.

The use on spear traps thing sounds amusing (instead of a spear, suddenly a tangled tumble-weed hits the hero in the face), the only problem is you'd have to use it on the already detected trap, at the cost of an action.

Would it work on a tree monster? I'm presuming a "mimic" monster isn't actually made of wood... what about a door?
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Re: Is there a purpose to the spell twist wood?

Postby wallydubbs » Wednesday February 5th, 2020 1:45pm

Twist Wood renders all wooden objects Useless.

What is the purpose of a door?
To be opened.

The door is useless and cannot open. Refer to Keller's Keep The Great Citidel quest note A for further information.

Elf: "I cast Twist Wood on the Dark Warriors, their crossbows no longer work!"
Barbarian: "Nice job, but now I'm having trouble opening this door."
Dwarf: "Try harder laddy."
Wizard: "Ah, I think my Genie can help us with that!"
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Re: Is there a purpose to the spell twist wood?

Postby Kurgan » Wednesday February 5th, 2020 7:40pm

;) And it won't work on witches either, I take it...
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