Too hard of a quest?

[mo123813]

Hello all! I know I've posted on this one quest pack already and all, but man, is this one hard quest pack. It's ridiculous!!! I mean Cmon! Lightning bolt kills my heroes everytime. Death bolt is crazy strong, and the orc shaman kicks too much butt; this quest pack is mad-crazy strong! These four sorcerers could kill Zargon himself if they wanted to with their power! And don't even get me STARTED about the very last quest; where you fight them all. They never make it (My heroes I mean) They love the idea, but hate the actual battles! Any idea on how to tone it down? It seems overpowered to me.

[drathe]

What version rules do you play? North American, or European?

[mo123813]

What version rules do you play? North American, or European?

My title is "Wizards of Zargon" so is it European then?

[drathe]

I was actually meaning the basic rules. As in, multiple body points for Monsters (North American Rule), use of artifacts, chaos spells, etc. If you're using NA rules, then yes, it is very difficult. Best played by experienced heroes who have ventured the game system, kellar's keep, witch lord and ogre horde already. They should have enough loot and equipment by then to make it through safely, although it will still be a challenge. But every person playing a hero is different. Some people just have bad luck and get smoked at every turn. Then you just play according to their skills. Dumb down the monster types and/or numbers. Also, don't use multiple wandering monsters unless they're goblins. In that case, only use two goblins. Everything else is just too much. Think about it... 3 Chaos Warriors? Seriously? Even the Barbarian is likely to die from that. I don't believe the Ogre Horde, Wizards of Morcar/Zargon, Mage of the Mirror, or Frozen Horror were ever play tested before hitting the market.

[mo123813]

I totally agree! They are ridiculous, though they are possible. I have completed them all. Yes to answer you question, I play by North American rules. We played yesterday and I did dumb down, and it was still hard for them. But boy, were they happy when that darn Orc Shaman went down!

3 Chaos warriors...I remember my brother being next to startled when I put the first one on the board. Then I put the second one and my uncle chuckled. Then the third one and they almost quit! Maybe when I finish my Wizard expansion, I'll make a "newby" version of the quest pack.

[HeroQuestFrance]

My players have finished it last month.
They were victorious but some of them died but the wizard could rez them in extremis and the game became stressing when they were fighting each sorceer. The last quest was nice, even if the 4 sorceers were opening doors, they have defeated one by one using all magic potions and artefact powers... they also killed all other mobs so ...
Yep european or american version are impossible to play.
So I played my own remake.

[Fullork345]

Is the quest pack that hard? The game seems easy when the Herod work together and are fully geared, I play the us edition.

[Just_Will]

It's been a long time since I played this expansion (almost 20 years maybe) but so long as the heroes and mercenaries stick together and take it one room at a time, I would think it would be quite beatable. Maybe I'm wrong and it's just been too long since I last played.

[wallydubbs]

I don't think it's that hard either... I just playtested through it... although i did use an expanded Treasure Deck (which, admittedly would reduce all the Wandering Monster cards) and additional spell sets for the Wizard. Just the same when heroes are up to 4 or 5 defense dice, asides from a lucky orc, only the Chaos Warriors and Gargoyle seems to be formidable. I even gave Zargon's wizards more powerful spells and changed the rules of the Fireburst Trap.
Sure, all the Mercenaries died nearly every quest, but the heroes had enough potions to prevent any situation from being too dire.
Maybe mo was playing without mercenaries...

[Kurgan]

I was hoping by the time my heroes get to this quest they'll be "upgraded" according to my system and maybe stand half a chance. I even considered though if they were TOO powerful that the Sorcerers could just defend with Blue dice (same as defending with white shields) but only against non-magical attacks.. [Link fixed!!!]