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Quest 2, artifact loss!!!

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Re: Quest 2, artifact loss!!!

Postby The Admiral » Thursday February 11th, 2016 9:40am

It's been a very long time since I played this, maybe 25 years, so I don't remember it. Was it in the Euro version. I imagine the designers had realised how powerful the Heroes were getting. I can see the point of removing Borin's Armour, that's a massive loss, but Orcs Bane, that wouldn't be much of a loss even in a quest that had any, well, Orcs in it!
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Re: Quest 2, artifact loss!!!

Postby cynthialee » Thursday February 11th, 2016 12:55pm

I bet if you tell the player that he is overpowered for the quest and you are formally requesting that one or more of the artifacts he has, 'gets left behind on accident, or in the shop for repairs' and in a future game the item will be allowed back into play the player will comply.

Being open and honest with my players about my limitations and the limitations of the game in progress has been a great tool for me and my group. Due to serious 'buy in' from my players, due to my honesty, I could get any one of my players to write up a 1st level character in a 12th level dungeon and they would wonder if maybe they should have written up a 0 level man at arms.
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Re: Quest 2, artifact loss!!!

Postby Goblin-King » Thursday February 11th, 2016 1:48pm

Nephew of Mentor wrote:Since someone asked about having all gold stolen I thought I might ask how everyone feels/reacts to quest 2 in which Borin's Armor and Orc's Bane are almost guaranteed to be destroyed. Does this seem excessive to you? Have you added any alternative rules to this room? Maybe allowing to find this "trap" if they search for it. On the other hand, do you, when leading the game, enjoy them losing these items? I'm personally a softy.

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We have people complaining RotWL is a cakewalk, yet here we are complaining about nerfing the heroes...
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Re: Quest 2, artifact loss!!!

Postby The Admiral » Thursday February 11th, 2016 1:54pm

cynthialee wrote:I bet if you tell the player that he is overpowered for the quest and you are formally requesting that one or more of the artifacts he has, 'gets left behind on accident, or in the shop for repairs' and in a future game the item will be allowed back into play the player will comply.


Well, Quest 2 would be a good day to forget to put on Borin's Armour!

I am almost positive my brother would not comply. And if I told him his Barbarians' magical armour had just disintegrated, he would absolutely demand to see the official text, and would still probably not accept it without a serious argument.
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Re: Quest 2, artifact loss!!!

Postby cynthialee » Thursday February 11th, 2016 3:27pm

That would be a non argument at my table.
The Smith Dwarves of Rock Home back engineered Borins armor with the help of the adept Nank, master sorcerer. For the right amount of gold and maybe a favor or two owed to the chief of the Rocksmasher Clan anyone can have a fresh brand new Borins armor. Now it isn't cheep, but it is worth the coin spent.
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Re: Quest 2, artifact loss!!!

Postby kyrrahn » Monday November 13th, 2017 2:00am

If the heroes have fought through the initial 14 quests and Kellar's Keep then they will have probably maxed out their builds. Losing the armour/bane is necessary to remind them to not get complacent. At any rate what upsets the players isn't the loss of the dice that comes with losing said items but that the items had to be earned, not bought. Heroes need risk in order for their quest to have meaning and they can only risk losing 3 things: Gold, Items and BP. I love that they can lose their special items in quest 2, their gold in quest 6... Makes them feel like they earned the win when Quest 10 finishes (assuming they haven't quit ;) ).
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