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Playing the pack without visiting the armory...

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Playing the pack without visiting the armory...

Postby torilen » Thursday February 25th, 2021 9:49am

Hey all, I know this has come up before, but I cannot remember where all of the discussion took place. I didn't see
a thread here, so if anyone knows where else this talk was, please throw a link in here so we don't repeat a lot of
already stated material.

Kellar's Keep is, in essence, one big quest, for the most part. Does anyone play it as such, without allowing the
heroes to go visit the armory or town or potion shop, whatever it is you call it?

I think this idea of playing straight through is what led someone to suggest having a bit of a role playing
encounter deep in the quest pack, where some goblin or orc or someone has a shop that the heroes can visit.


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Re: Playing the pack without visiting the armory...

Postby Pancho » Thursday February 25th, 2021 9:56am

I can’t remember what thread it was but it was me who suggested that the Heroes run into a party of dwarves half way through Kellars Keep, allowing them full access to the armoury to spend what they have looted so far.
For me immersion in the story is very important, so I really don’t like the idea of allowing trips to the armoury after every quest in packs like KK, RotWL or AtOH, when the heroes are supposed to be far away from help. But I reasoned that there might be an odd party of Dwarves exploring the caverns below Karak Varn for their own reasons.


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Re: Playing the pack without visiting the armory...

Postby wallydubbs » Thursday February 25th, 2021 2:47pm

It is a lovely little house rule that I've also adopted (it may have been from reading Pancho's post). It seems unreasonable that the heroes would bear 1 quest, go back to town, go back to the same place they were... etc. "Coming up for air" someone once said.
So I've adopted this method of game play for Keller's Keep, Return of the Witch Lord, Against the Ogre Horde, Frozen Horror and the last 4 Quests of Mage of the Mirror. This does become problematic for Frozen Horror, which I'll get to.

This rule was first implemented and only officially implemented in Against the Ogre Horde. Although I do agree with that rule; the not replenishing Body Points between quests is too great of a hindrance, which was also introduced in Against the Ogre Horde.

Although I've never added the Dwarvish merchants in Keller's Keep, I like having the heroes stock up on potions before the next big adventure. For this reason I play The Trial much later in the Game System and adopted the European reward of 500 gold once achieving Champion status. The Trial is the most difficult quest in the Game system, so it's the heroes Trial to becoming Champions. This reward or dowry should give the heroes enough gold to stock up.
In like manner Return of the Witch Lord doesn't offer a reward before moving onto Against the Ogre Horde (unless you count the 500 gold under his throne. To which I felt the need to give the heroes some type of reward. The majority of the gold earned in RotWL is in the first 5 quests, but if you're playing through without going to the armory, all that gold is essentially stolen between quests 5 and 6. So for this reason I add up how much the heroes had stolen from them and that is what the Emperor will pay them once they beat RotWL. This is enough to stock up for AtOH.

So much gold could be found in Against the Ogre Horde, but it seems obscene that the heroes are essentially carrying 7,000 accumulated gold around with them by the last quest. So I just give them half of what's in each chest. The rest is offered as a reward. I really don't like how they did away with rewards in AtOH and WoM.

Then we have the Frozen Horror. This quest pack is much too difficult to do without the hire of Mercenaries. Rather then let the heroes back track to get some mercenaries, I first add a 5th hero (Female Barbarian, playing through a modified version of the 3 solo quests). But then along the way I also add mercenaries found in between quests. As there are Dark Company warriors working for Chaos, these mercenaries can reveal to the heroes that they were once part of a larger group, but some have defected to serve Chaos.
Apparently before resorting to send his prized Champions to assist the Northern Tribes, the Emperor had sent a whole army into White Mountain to face this threat and since they never returned the Champions go up and find that some were stranded up there (whome they can hire) and others have defected.
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Re: Playing the pack without visiting the armory...

Postby Kurgan » Thursday February 25th, 2021 4:15pm

I don't think we were ever that strict. But we played I believe GS, then ROTWL then KK, so by that time all the surviving heroes were fully tricked out. But it made sense for a new hero to be able to buy stuff. It's been awhile though, but I don't think we every passed up a chance to visit the Armory if we had gold to spend.

If you play it that way, unless you have a town portal scroll mod thingy, or a monster merchant or whatever, you're not going to be doing much shopping if you play it that way. Use your imagination to make it happen if you need it.

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