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Re: The Spiral Passage - boulder?

Postby Daedalus » Thursday August 30th, 2012 4:58pm

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Re: The Spiral Passage - boulder?

Postby bastianbux » Tuesday July 9th, 2013 4:07pm

Yikes, sounds like my initial thoughts were correct. We JUST played this quest a few days ago and I had the boulder rolling over the Barbarian and then the Elf before stopping... but then I wondered: how will they ever be able to join the rest of the party if the boulder separates them? I was completely forgetting that the boulder would continue moving to the right on its next turn. So I stupidly had it stop just behind the Barbarian instead. :/ Now I see that it was SUPPOSED to roll over multiple Heroes until it got to its stopping point. Curses! However, if I remember correctly it is employed again in a later quest? I'll be sure to GM it correctly next time.
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Re: The Spiral Passage - boulder?

Postby chaoticprime » Tuesday July 9th, 2013 4:51pm

The boulder gets placed during the Hero's movement, on his turn. Zargon's next turn is his next turn, just like normal. Just like every other trap in the entire game, it is triggered by a Hero on that Hero's turn. It does not move until after that last Hero finishes his turn. There is nothing at all going on like, "Instead, first there is an assumed Zargon turn for placing the boulder tile on "A", where it is redundant and misleading to apply a "next" modifier."

All heroes but one pass "A."
Last hero passes ''A."
Zargon places Boulder Tile on "A," which would be one square behind the Last hero.
The Last hero finishes his turn.
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Re: The Spiral Passage - boulder?

Postby Daedalus » Wednesday July 10th, 2013 5:00pm

chaoticprime wrote:The boulder gets placed during the Hero's movement, on his turn. Zargon's next turn is his next turn, just like normal. Just like every other trap in the entire game, it is triggered by a Hero on that Hero's turn.

Before, I merely stated it could be played this way, but after rechecking the wording for a Gargoyle traps in the Quest Book, I gotta agree it's best to place it on the turn of the last Hero who passes it.

chaoticprime wrote:It does not move until after that last Hero finishes his turn. There is nothing at all going on like, "Instead, first there is an assumed Zargon turn for placing the boulder tile on "A", where it is redundant and misleading to apply a "next" modifier."

Sure, it's simpler to accept "next turn" as an initializer for "subsequent turns". Uncle.

chaoticprime wrote:All heroes but one pass "A."
Last hero passes ''A."
Zargon places Boulder Tile on "A," which would be one square behind the Last hero.
The Last hero finishes his turn.
Zargon moves the boulder.

I like this description, particularly the second-to-last line which reveals the variability of the trap. The trap is much more forgiving if the first Hero in the turn order is the last to cross the trigger and set off the trap. Not only may he continue his move, but the other Heroes may move again farther beyond the boulder starting-point before the boulder moves. This doesn't seem too brutal. However, if the last Hero in the turn order triggers the trap, things are gonna be nasty.

Earlier in this thread, I more or less mentioned the ideal opening move: The first Hero should move just one square and search for traps on his first turn. Though I said it was unlikely, I should amend this and say smart play dictates that this should be done. So I guess the boulder is fair for cautious Heroes; however, incautious Heroes are gonna get pasted! :twisted:
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Re: The Spiral Passage - boulder?

Postby Sjeng » Thursday July 11th, 2013 12:57am

Daedalus wrote:So I guess the boulder is fair for cautious Heroes; however, incautious Heroes are gonna get pasted! :twisted:

The boulder trap can't be found by searching for traps. I think that's in the quest notes.

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Re: The Spiral Passage - boulder?

Postby knightkrawler » Thursday July 11th, 2013 1:04am

Right.
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Re: The Spiral Passage - boulder?

Postby chaoticprime » Thursday July 11th, 2013 2:39am

knightkrawler wrote:Right.
The boulder really is a thing of beauty.


No. Stone, actually.


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Re: The Spiral Passage - boulder?

Postby knightkrawler » Thursday July 11th, 2013 6:16am

Beautiful stone. Stonedly beautiful.
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Re: The Spiral Passage - boulder?

Postby Sjeng » Thursday July 11th, 2013 6:23am

Reminds me that I need to make a 3D boulder tile.

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Re: The Spiral Passage - boulder?

Postby knightkrawler » Thursday July 11th, 2013 6:25am

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